Variants and conventions

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Variants and conventions

Post by Romain672 » 30 October 2020, 18:22

Hi,
So there is another game of hanabi which should arrive soon (it's on alpha atm), and there is an option to choose the Variant you want to play with.
So I would like to regroup the most used conventions (or variants ?) here.

From what I know:

1) BGA style / 'Normal'
The 2b group is totally similar to it, except it's even deeper (=some move undefined with randoms has a meaning), so that seem to be in that category.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sz3 ... k5RUY/edit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vzg ... Mlyhc/edit

5) Logical
Logical leftism is used by a small portion of the community which just play 'without convention'.
http://hanabilogic.eklablog.com/basics- ... a117610126

6) JD / Aeanarion / Positionnal
It's a simple way to make player plays from positionnal:
1/red=play slot 1
2/yellow=play slot 2
3/green=play slot 3
4/blue=play slot 4
5=play slot 5
white=save chop
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5288

7) Hat-Guessing
Each clue gave information to all others players. Clues has no utility except being associated to value.
I will not enter in detail because it's complicated.
https://github.com/hanabi/hanabi.github ... y-clues.md

8) Card cycling
Each time someone clue, he put his chop in front.
Problem is, it's not supported by any online plateform on my knowledge.
(this link is a normal framework, except the 4 which is very interresting: https://github.com/SashaIr/hanabi-conve ... Hanabi.pdf )

9) Newest friend
The meaning of your clue depend of the person who gave the clue:
- if it's your next player, play the cards clued from left to right ;
- if it's your second next player, play the cards clued from right to left ;
( - if it's the remaining player at 5p, play the cards clued from left to right)
- if it's your previous player, all the cards clued are saved.
https://github.com/Zamiell/hanabi-conve ... Friend.pdf


And that's all for the conventions.
1) eacrasing all concurrence, there should be variant to it.
2) chop focus on
3) 2-saves on
4) chop focus and 2-saves on


Then, to all that, you can add a variant which got some games played:
10) Drawbacks:
Here is a link which gave a random (secret) drawback:
https://perchance.org/e6dtm5lj3r

And I believe you would like a variant others:
11) Others

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So, if you would want another specific spot for your own way of playing, you can talk about it here.
Please note the goal should be to play with randoms players. If it's really specific and reserved to a group, you can create your own bga group and restrict the table to that group.

This group let you play some of them: https://boardgamearena.com/group?id=696 ... ublicinfos :D
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Re: Variants and conventions

Post by Romain672 » 30 October 2020, 18:46

But the 'problem' is that 1 is way more popular than 5 which is way more popular than 6/7/8/9/10/11.

So you should maybe add even more small changes to 1.

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Re: Variants and conventions

Post by Romain672 » 31 October 2020, 21:00

I will insist since I would like some answers.

Do you think the 6~9 variants should be present as an option?
Do you think the 2~4 variants should be present as an option? And if yes, are my propositions fine (I saw some years ago some player playing with relaxed saves, so it would not be an option)?
Do you think 10 should be present?

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Re: Variants and conventions

Post by Romain672 » 01 November 2020, 16:57

The more I think to it the more I think telling so much variants is bad.
I believe:
'Bga style'
'Logical'
'Others'
Would work well too, and be much more obvious.

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Re: Variants and conventions

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Re: Variants and conventions

Post by zeinab001 » 03 November 2020, 09:37

Romain672 wrote:
01 November 2020, 16:57
The more I think to it the more I think telling so much variants is bad.
I believe:
'Bga style'
'Logical'
'Others'
Would work well too, and be much more obvious.
i think normal, logical, hat guessing, others is better most know those 3

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Re: Variants and conventions

Post by Romain672 » 03 November 2020, 14:01

Hum, 'Hat guessing/Positionnal' could work too.
It has the advantage to be slightly more general and slightly more obvious.

Problem is the confusion with positionnal discard in end game, where people could see 'positionnal', and so put that variant only because they use positionnals discards in end game 1 game out of 10 (at 2players mainly).

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Re: Variants and conventions

Post by postmans » 05 November 2020, 13:11

Won't the interpretations within conventions be very different?
E.g. you linked the guide I once started, but I think many play different variations of this.
- They just do finesses
- 2 saves on/off
- chop moves?
- Or as we do recently we sometimes swap the focus contextually (from clue urgency) to mean play right in later parts of the game.

Maybe it's cursing in the church, but the hyphenated convention is not listed, while I think after all variations from "standard BGA" it's the biggest framework of playing.

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Re: Variants and conventions

Post by Romain672 » 05 November 2020, 14:31

Yeah right, here it is: https://github.com/Zamiell/hanabi-conve ... ference.md
Didn't included for the reason you said, but you are right. So name is 'Hyphen-ated'.

I like how they included chop focus which really change lots of things, but not include 2-saves which has an impact, but imo more minor.

'Logical' chop moves should depend of sensibility of the game imo. That means depending of the level and the amount of trust around the table. (Except if you mean something else about it?)


I don't see any good way to tell everything except by multiplicating the information send in conventions. But it's not great imo neither.

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Re: Variants and conventions

Post by Romain672 » 05 November 2020, 18:03

A propos des variantes:
- Conventionnal Leftism duplique le Standard;
- Finesse duplique le Standard;
- 'Secret convention' n'est pas une convention, soit il faut l'enlever (et rajouter un 'Others' ), soit mettre 'Secret variant' imo ;
- Rajouter 'Hyphen-ated' je suppose

Le reste me va. Chop focus est cool vu que ça change pleins de choses.


Si je me trompe sur l'interprétation ou une utilité quelconque de laisser 'Finesse' (ou autre) quelque part dites le, ty.

(je créerais un bug report si ça a pas été corrigé bientôt)

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