Let's talk arena format?

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Ranior
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Re: Let's talk arena format?

Post by Ranior » 05 January 2021, 17:11

One of the other oddities in my opinion is that BGA itself has St Petersburg simple games set to say the recommended best player count is 4. Seems incongruous to then put the competitive mode at 2p if the game is best at 4p. (Which I do think the game is best at 4p)

Still hoping we could see a change for season 4 yet.

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Chauff
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Re: Let's talk arena format?

Post by Chauff » 05 January 2021, 18:31

I agree ; OP, you should add a poll to this topic, maybe something like :

2 players, no info
3 players, no info
4 players, no info
2 players, open info
3 players, open info
4 players, open info

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Re: Let's talk arena format?

Post by Een » 06 January 2021, 08:49

We usually go with the recommended players number, unless the game doesn't have enough players to get arena matches quickly enough (which is not the case here). So this was probably a mistake. Changed to 4 players / no info for this season.

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Re: Let's talk arena format?

Post by Ranior » 06 January 2021, 14:21

Awesome, glad to see this change.

However, I just realized that since the game just finally got officially released and had an arena mode in December, it meant the system has just carried over all the results from those games in to this current season, such that there are already many elite players that got their ranking from playing 2 player games.

It's not a huge issue, but it does seem a bit weird to have 1 month of games count at 2 player settings and now the rest of the season and competitors will be playing 4 player. I'm not sure there is an easy solution as switching to keeping this season as 2 players isn't ideal, but maybe does make sense, whereas switching to 4 player but keeping all the 2 player results also seems wrong....

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Re: Let's talk arena format?

Post by Een » 06 January 2021, 16:36

Ah, yes... a bit weird indeed. But since conditions have been the same for everyone and changed at the same time for everyone, I suppose it's still ok.

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Re: Let's talk arena format?

Post by bananasplay » 11 January 2021, 11:13

Een wrote:
06 January 2021, 16:36
Ah, yes... a bit weird indeed. But since conditions have been the same for everyone and changed at the same time for everyone, I suppose it's still ok.
No, it’s totally not okay. You’ve completely shifted the goalposts mid-season, and the players who’ve only had defeat a single opponent at a time have a massive advantage in retaining their standing over those who now have to fend off three opponents at once to advance.

Switching to the inherently problematic format of 3+-player games is bad enough, but doing so mid-season?! And you weren’t even aware of this until someone pointed it out after the fact?

Just more fodder for the list of decisions that demonstrate that BGA has no clue how to set up and manage a competitive format, I guess.
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