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Satanas Diabolo
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Opponent ressources

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Hi,

May be I missed something but is there a way to see the ressources own by the other players ?

Thanks,

Satanas
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lordalx
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Re: Opponent ressources

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it's hidden, so obviously not
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Meeplelowda
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lordalx wrote: 25 June 2022, 11:46 it's hidden, so obviously not
To clarify, it is "hidden" information because the published rules don't require you to keep your resources open, so the BGA implementation mirrors that. Face down cards means they aren't shown to other players in BGA. Obviously you can see what resources someone is collecting, so it's not hidden in the same sense that Development cards that are drawn blind are hidden.
Stroom
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Meeplelowda wrote: 25 June 2022, 19:41
lordalx wrote: 25 June 2022, 11:46 it's hidden, so obviously not
To clarify, it is "hidden" information because the published rules don't require you to keep your resources open, so the BGA implementation mirrors that. Face down cards means they aren't shown to other players in BGA. Obviously you can see what resources someone is collecting, so it's not hidden in the same sense that Development cards that are drawn blind are hidden.
When someone moves the robber with a 7 roll or uses a knight, they will steal a resource at random AND so that no-one sees it except the one who loses or gains the resource. This will make the contents of player hands hidden information. If you know that player A has wood and ore and player B just stole one card from that players hand, then you do not know which player has that ore. And you shouldn't either.

What displays your hand in the current system is when you offer trades to other players. You can't propose a trade with resources that you don't have (which should actually be possible IMO as this would add more depth to the strategy of trading - to fish other players for information about what they have in their hands).
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Meeplelowda
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Re: Opponent ressources

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Stroom wrote: 26 June 2022, 08:52When someone moves the robber with a 7 roll or uses a knight, they will steal a resource at random AND so that no-one sees it except the one who loses or gains the resource. This will make the contents of player hands hidden information.
Good point.
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Mathew5000
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Meeplelowda wrote: 25 June 2022, 19:41
lordalx wrote: 25 June 2022, 11:46 it's hidden, so obviously not
To clarify, it is "hidden" information because the published rules don't require you to keep your resources open, so the BGA implementation mirrors that.
But the published rules don't require you to keep your resources face down, either. In an in-real-life game you may want to show some or all of your resource cards to other players, as a tactic. The BGA implementation does not permit that. Of course you can say in chat what your resources are, but nobody will know whether you're being truthful, unlike physically showing the cards.

A formal suggestion on the topic of this thread is here: https://boardgamearena.com/bug?id=67542
Stroom
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At the moment you can make a trade offer. This ensures that you have those cards... but I'd say that you should be able to offer trades with cards you DON'T have as it is also a strategic move.
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Mathew5000
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Stroom wrote: 12 July 2022, 05:58 At the moment you can make a trade offer. This ensures that you have those cards...
Right, but the time when you might want to show all your cards is when an opponent plays a knight (or rolls a 7) before they place the robber. During that period, you can't offer a trade.
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TBH I don't think you should show your cards to the opponent at any time...
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Lukasz83
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Re: Opponent ressources

Post by Lukasz83 »

In my opinion it should be just an option before you create a new table. By default resources should be hidden. There are few positives that someone wrote at https://www.jefftk.com/p/open-hand-catan e.g. Much less time spent proposing trades.
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