Tournaments & karma: new rules

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Doubleshoe
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Re: Tournaments & karma: new rules

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This looks pretty good! It's obviously not foolproof, but at least one would now need effort to actively ruin tournaments, of a level I doubt the relevant players are going to exert. And if the problem persists, at least it ought to be fairly easy to point at an actively malicious activity pattern, which one would hope makes for a bannable offense.
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Acuado
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Re: Tournaments & karma: new rules

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Hi, i want to know if it's activate or not yet because i'm versus a player who have <65% in this tournament started at few (there are 2h when i write)

Player karma (i censored him)
https://prnt.sc/Sd3N6g_XF6pj

And tournament rules :
https://prnt.sc/1rqQTg3BXqyY

Maybe because he lose 40 just yesterday (same if "today" for site, i dont know when it's midnight here) ?
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Re: Tournaments & karma: new rules

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Acuado wrote: 27 June 2022, 00:31 Hi, i want to know if it's activate or not yet because i'm versus a player who have <65% in this tournament started at few (there are 2h when i write)

Player karma (i censored him)
https://prnt.sc/Sd3N6g_XF6pj

And tournament rules :
https://prnt.sc/1rqQTg3BXqyY

Maybe because he lose 40 just yesterday (same if "today" for site, i dont know when it's midnight here) ?
I would put this under report a bug. Then I would come back here and edit my post for other people to add agreement so BGA works on it. I don’t know they are monitoring everything that we say here, And you have a valid problem they need to address. I would also try using the Support email because this is something they are actively working on.
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Re: Tournaments & karma: new rules

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There still is one flaw with this system. It's too easy to recover karma by playing a bunch of quick games. Also, the karma penalty for getting kicked from a turn-based tournament game is too low (currently I believe it's only -4).

Improvements:

- Increase the karma penalty for getting kicked from a turn-based tournament game to -10 or -20.

- Your tournament karma is calculated differently than regular karma. If you run out of time in a tournament game, -1 to your tournament karma for 90 days. If you get kicked from a tournament game for running out of time, -5 to your tournament karma for 90 days. +1 to your tournament karma (for 90 days) for finishing a tournament without any time penalties. Your tournament karma is your regular karma minus penalties.
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Re: Tournaments & karma: new rules

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There's also another potential problem scenario in multiplayer elimination tournaments. Someone is forced to withdraw just before the final, and now there aren't enough players in the final. Solution: Don't auto-withdraw people in the last or next-to-last round OR promote someone who was eliminated in the next-to-last-round to take their place.
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Re: Tournaments & karma: new rules

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FSKFSK wrote: 27 June 2022, 02:25 There still is one flaw with this system. It's too easy to recover karma by playing a bunch of quick games. Also, the karma penalty for getting kicked from a turn-based tournament game is too low (currently I believe it's only -4).
If you are expelled from a tournament game, the penalty is the same than a regular game (-10 or -20).

-4 is for "no show" / "forfeit", which has much less consequences for the other players as you did not even start the game.
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Re: Tournaments & karma: new rules

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sourisdudesert wrote: 27 June 2022, 09:49
FSKFSK wrote: 27 June 2022, 02:25 There still is one flaw with this system. It's too easy to recover karma by playing a bunch of quick games. Also, the karma penalty for getting kicked from a turn-based tournament game is too low (currently I believe it's only -4).
If you are expelled from a tournament game, the penalty is the same than a regular game (-10 or -20).

-4 is for "no show" / "forfeit", which has much less consequences for the other players as you did not even start the game.
If it's supposed to be like this then it is buggy because right now there's only -4 if you get expelled from a turn-based tournament game.

In addition to that, if you time-out and the game reaches the maximum duration (but nobody expelled you but the other players instead hope for you to finish the game even if using their time), the game is abandonend and you don't even get a penalty at all.

This can be seen in you-know-who's reputation log (but need to scroll down a few pages to the time when there was actually still enough karma left). Those are all tournament time-outs and not no-show (which is a concept only valid for real-time-tournaments i guess). The few games with -10 or -20 are non-tournament games.
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Re: Tournaments & karma: new rules

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Silene wrote: 27 June 2022, 10:01 In addition to that, if you time-out and the game reaches the maximum duration (but nobody expelled you but the other players instead hope for you to finish the game even if using their time), the game is abandoned and you don't even get a penalty at all.
Yes, in addition the points results / standings are different.

Table timed out: 1,2,3,4
https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=272098546

Person timed out 1,1,1,4.
https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=268137591
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Re: Tournaments & karma: new rules

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In this game, someone ran out of time but received a -4 karma penalty.

https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=274810415

How is "number of tournaments" calculated? If it's a knockout tournament or multiplayer elimination tournament, it shouldn't count towards your tournament limit if you've already been eliminated but the tournament isn't over yet.

I always thought it was odd that, on the "Play Now"->"Tournaments" tab, it shows"You Participated In This Tournament" (i.e. were eliminated but it isn't over yet) above "You are Participating in this touranment" (i.e. not eliminated yet).
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Re: Tournaments & karma: new rules

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Acuado wrote: 27 June 2022, 00:31 Hi, i want to know if it's activate or not yet because i'm versus a player who have <65% in this tournament started at few (there are 2h when i write)
I back about this same player.. he surrend tournament .. but game still open and i must wait 4d for "kick" him .. and i dont find what category i must choice for report it so.. what can we do now ? :'(
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