Good game for Advanced tutorial

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silentProtest
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Good game for Advanced tutorial

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Hey All, there seems little material that helps player to get better. I recently played a training match where I explained a lot of moves, basic and not so much, and it might help people new to the expansion combination of Agora and Pantheon to understand the balance better!

Edit: As it seems the chat is only visable by players and specs that were there during the game, so I copied the chat, cleaned it up and put some more comments on top. Anyone doing tutorials, I do not know whether that qualifies, but this game as a click through with comments in critical situations, might actually help for people to get better, imho. Also the timestamps in chat correspond with the history on the right. Just open up a new browser window with the comments.
-- One more thing Kiiwwii is my opponent, so you see his name in chat history. Mine is not shown.

Here the game: https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=320611444

Here the somewhat cleaned up chat:

now you have money problems 06:24 PM
and if you put ra on your end you are risking losing it because Im 2nd player and can force to be first in age 2 06:25 PM
which would be what most players in top tier would play 06:25 PM
if nothing critical is lost by it 06:25 PM
greens, minerva(red) and Zeus+Aphrodite are usually used to block enemies slots 06:27 PM
zeus+Aph(blue) 06:27 PM
greens besides enki 06:27 PM
enki is a wild card 06:27 PM
if one is desperate 06:27 PM - and can get use of Strategy Theology and/or Law, and maybe Economy
Kiiwwiiiso now green card? 06:28 PM
oder coin with red? 06:28 PM
only if you plan to win with science 06:28 PM
but you chances are slim 06:28 PM
coin green prob 06:28 PM
bcs it might be useful to me, and red is not useful 06:28 PM
coin red is the one wrong move 06:29 PM
coin = sell 06:29 PM
ok building red is worse 06:29 PM
think here 06:30 PM
Kiiwwiiiso blue card (6coin) and then white card? 06:31 PM
yeah artemis and build white was my idea - bcs you are prob losing artemis in age 2 if you do not build it, which is the only wonder you really really do not want to lose to ra 06:32 PM
also you can builld free yellows 06:32 PM
and place anubis 06:32 PM
and if I do not react youre getting a black card 06:32 PM
and you force me to open a card and getting yellow stone card 06:33 PM
IF I do not react 06:33 PM
but even if I do it will cost me 2 extra turns overall 06:33 PM
Kiiwwiiinow 3 coin? 06:35 PM
probably 06:35 PM
noooo 06:36 PM
Kiiwwiiiwhy? 06:36 PM
that was horrible 06:36 PM
RA 06:37 PM
i will steal it 06:37 PM
first you needed to steal my wonder and then , if you got time free up artemis 06:37 PM
Kiiwwiiiis so 50 to 50 06:37 PM
Kiiwwiiior? 06:37 PM
it is not xDF 06:37 PM
xD 06:37 PM
you losing artemis lost the whol game i think... 06:38 PM
whole** 06:38 PM --- SPOILER: I was wrong - with the expansions you get a lot of opportunities to bring your opponent out of balance in some way and push for a specific win condition, which can force a better position overall and new possabilities !
and now? O.o 06:38 PM
you got a ton of actually hard choices 06:39 PM
first thing to stop prob the white card 06:39 PM
bcs I got 2 blue cards 06:39 PM
and can push for senate win 06:39 PM
now you got options and hope again 06:40 PM
you could try to push with army 06:41 PM
but the win rate with it isnt great 06:41 PM
but it might help you with senate 06:41 PM
and bring me out of balance 06:41 PM
Kiiwwiiiso red card pay? 06:41 PM
yeah prob need to build that 06:41 PM
hard choice 06:43 PM
between pushing further and taking away -4 token 06:43 PM
to rush for the gate 06:43 PM
in hopes of neptune or mars
Kiiwwiiii dont now.. o.O 06:44 PM
also the chat is saved after the game is over - when you get better rewatch it 06:45 PM
in your situation I would trash blue 06:45 PM
little risk for good pot reward 06:45 PM
pot. = potential 06:45 PM
Kiiwwiiiso blue for 3 coins? 06:46 PM
y 06:46 PM
I got lucky with the token 06:46 PM
now it will get harder 06:47 PM -- for me
risk is that I win with science in age 3 06:47 PM
you should try to win by army before 06:47 PM
mind your coins, my coins , and when to buy minerva ... 06:48 PM
I will tell you what went wrong at the end of age 2 06:48 PM
you building Ishtar instead using a card for your wonder was a mistake ;because you would force me into a timing where you can just get lucky, and win by senate; which you would have in this case - generally it was 20% 06:52 PM
needed to buy card with black, it was you chance for a lucky win - you needed to build green card or use it for building a wonder; you trashed it and i can revive it with marsoleum 06:54 PM
Kiiwwiiiok so now green card for 2 coins? 06:55 PM
YES 06:55 PM
you get 6 coins for it 06:55 PM
it is over 06:57 PM
Kiiwwiii? 06:57 PM
i will 100% get last green before you can win with army or senate 06:57 PM
Kiiwwiiiah okey 06:58 PM
but lets play it out 06:58 PM
silentProtest
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Re: Good game for Advanced tutorial

Post by silentProtest »

Also got a really advanced one, to the limit of my capabilities at least:

Watch as Rossoneri12, and stop sometimes to really think trough the moves. This one is without comments:https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=319266826
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michaelHastriter
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Re: Good game for Advanced tutorial

Post by michaelHastriter »

Poor Kiiwwiii

GREEN GOD BAD...
greens, minerva(red) and Zeus+Aphrodite are usually used to block enemies slots 06:27 PM
zeus+Aph(blue) 06:27 PM
greens besides enki 06:27 PM

GREEN CARD BAD...
Kiiwwiiiso now green card? 06:28 PM
oder coin with red? 06:28 PM
only if you plan to win with science 06:28 PM
but you chances are slim 06:28 PM

ALSO THIS:
Kiiwwiii? 06:57 PM
i will 100% get last green before you can win with army or senate 06:57 PM
Kiiwwiiiah okey 06:58 PM
but lets play it out 06:58 PM
silentProtest
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Re: Good game for Advanced tutorial

Post by silentProtest »

just to clarify - it was in no way meant to offend - that were pure assessments of the situation when they were clear, or asked, or had any value of knowing for later games
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