Have I got the strategy all wrong? If I complete a square on the same turn as the other player in a 2 player game, they'll get the higher bonus since they go before me. Is there a way to take 1st player from them?
1st player wins
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Re: 1st player wins
It sounds like you're playing games where both people are just going for completing squares one at a time?
Maybe try the strategy of expanding to a lot of squares quickly and then filling them in. You might lose out a little on statues, but you'll get more points from being able to reach trucks and bulldozers first.
I find the game is a little straightforward if you play without goals too. I'd add those if you haven't already.
A lot of games players who aren't first at the beginning will finish the map first since they managed a more efficient path throughout the game.
Maybe try the strategy of expanding to a lot of squares quickly and then filling them in. You might lose out a little on statues, but you'll get more points from being able to reach trucks and bulldozers first.
I find the game is a little straightforward if you play without goals too. I'd add those if you haven't already.
A lot of games players who aren't first at the beginning will finish the map first since they managed a more efficient path throughout the game.
Re: 1st player wins
I found a great tutorial at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whLywB_JTQk
Re: 1st player wins
I think the first player has a decent advantage in 2p, probably about 4-5 points on average with or without objectives. There are some cases when starting with a smaller piece forces the hand on the first turn (e.g. if there is a panda objective, it is often not beneficial to take an N piece as first player as it can severely limit the options on consecutive turns. Bidding for first player is probably the most fair solution which is not "hacky", but I know it has never been proposed as part of the official rules.
Objectives can make the benefit for the first player larger, e.g. if there is an objective for a single bear type, the first player has a decent chance of locking out the 2nd player from that objective altogether.
Objectives can make the benefit for the first player larger, e.g. if there is an objective for a single bear type, the first player has a decent chance of locking out the 2nd player from that objective altogether.
Re: 1st player wins
Hope the bidding thing will be executed one day! And thanks a lot for sharing your expert opinioncjr wrote: ↑25 August 2022, 06:24 I think the first player has a decent advantage in 2p, probably about 4-5 points on average with or without objectives. There are some cases when starting with a smaller piece forces the hand on the first turn (e.g. if there is a panda objective, it is often not beneficial to take an N piece as first player as it can severely limit the options on consecutive turns. Bidding for first player is probably the most fair solution which is not "hacky", but I know it has never been proposed as part of the official rules.
Objectives can make the benefit for the first player larger, e.g. if there is an objective for a single bear type, the first player has a decent chance of locking out the 2nd player from that objective altogether.

Do you still hold the same opinion, and do you know if it is a "common sense" among experts? It's a bit sad that such a beautiful game has this discrepancy

Re: 1st player wins
Yeah in board games the 1st player always wins.
