Adding or removing scenarios from ARENA

[MagnusNygaard]

Could you list the 28 scenarios and for each of them the currently missing features that would need to be implemented before adding the scenarios ? That would help us to see the big picture and where to focus on.

Avec plaisir

I miscounted, there are only 27 - sorry.
There are only a few that have any rules not already implemented - most are straight forward. I don't have time to find the scenario numbers on DoW - but if that would help I can do that later.

They are:
1) Operation Spring - no special rules
2) Gold Beach - - no special rules
3) Utah Beach - no special rules
4) Juno Beach - no special rules
5) Carentan Causeway - no special rules
6) Operation Goodwood - no special rules
7) Twin Villages - no special rules
8) Counter Attack at Aras - no special rules BUT the units on the map should all be British Commonwealth units.
9) Vaumicel Manor - no special rules
10) Carentan - no special rules
11) Battle for Hill 178 - no special rules (fordable streams and minefields both work, IIRC)
12) Bretel Wood - Night Attack rules (which also work)
13) Forêt d'Ecouves - no special rules (but it's not mentioned in the description that ALL allied infantry are special forces)
14) Bastogne Corridor West - no special rules
15) Bastogne Corridor East - Artillery Deck used (but that also works, IIRC)
16) Strasbourg - ONE of the rivers is frozen solid and do not count in any way other than cosmetic (i.e. it is NOT a Frozen river in the sense of the rules).
17) Moyland Wood - no special rules
18) Bloody Ridge - no special rules
19) Clearing Matanikau River - no special rules Note that in the scenario map the EXIT markers are just ordinary victory medals.
20) Battle of Kalatch - no special rules
21) Battle of Warsaw - no special rules
22) Mignano Monte Lungo - no special rules
23) Tunesia - Allied Armor can only move 2 hexes - but the North African Rules are not in effect (this was made before the Mediterranean expansion was made)
24) Gallabat and Metemma - no special rules
25) Russian Breakout - no special rules
26) Lipovec - no special rules
27) Rzhev - Allied armor may only move 2 hexes - but BLITZ rules are NOT in effect.

Dont forget "Tenaru" its on the DoW

Ah - that's the 28th! Thanks!

[Tisaac]

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Thanks a lot, looks like we could add some of them without too much extra work. It would be really great if you extract the scenario ids, that would definitively help, thanks !

OK, so turns out I have to know what's best for you to get, @Tisaac - because for Operation Goodwood (to take an example) there is the ID# 9579 (which I had to find through the list of scenarios here on BGA) but that has no map layout, the webpage from Daysofwonder with the scenario which exists in two versions https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/e ... w/?id=3701 and https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/e ... view/?id=9 but neither of those have an ID#.
Alternatively I could make an m44 file in the editor of each of the maps for you and just send them via email.

Let me know what's easiest for you.

If you find them in the scenario list on BGA here, just give me that id, otherwise give me the daysofwonder URL and I will try to find them.
Thanks again !

[MagnusNygaard]

(snip)
Thanks a lot, looks like we could add some of them without too much extra work. It would be really great if you extract the scenario ids, that would definitively help, thanks !

OK, so turns out I have to know what's best for you to get, @Tisaac - because for Operation Goodwood (to take an example) there is the ID# 9579 (which I had to find through the list of scenarios here on BGA) but that has no map layout, the webpage from Daysofwonder with the scenario which exists in two versions https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/e ... w/?id=3701 and https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/e ... view/?id=9 but neither of those have an ID#.
Alternatively I could make an m44 file in the editor of each of the maps for you and just send them via email.

Let me know what's easiest for you.

If you find them in the scenario list on BGA here, just give me that id, otherwise give me the daysofwonder URL and I will try to find them.
Thanks again !

Check.
No problem.

[MagnusNygaard]

Voila.
OK - so I think there's a problem with the listing of the scenarios in the different languages on DoW. Because some of the scenarios I found by checking the German or French titles, but I failed to guess them all I think.
There's also two I just couldn't find at all: "Battle for Hill 178" and "Foret d'Ecouves".

12508 Tenaru
8708 Operation Spring
9596 Gold Beach
?? Utah Beach https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/e ... iew/?id=42
6749 Juno Beach
?? Carentan Causeway https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/e ... w/?id=1225
9579 Operation Goodwood
7271 Twin Villages https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/e ... w/?id=3687
?? Counter Attack at Aras https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/e ... w/?id=1290
?? Vaumicel Manor https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/e ... w/?id=6678
12449 Carentan
?? Battle for hill 178 – I couldn’t find it in the official list of scenarios.
12498 Bretel Wood
?? Forêt d'Ecouves Couldn’t find it in the official list of scenarios.
12494 Bastogne Corridor West – NB: Could only find the German version
12493 Bastogne Corridor East – NB: Could only find the German version
12507 Strasbourg – NB: Could only find the Germans version
12505 Moyland Wood – NB: German version
?? Bloody Ridge - https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/e ... w/?id=3465
12500 Clearing Matanikau River
12496 Battle of Kalatch
8043 Battle of Warsaw
12504 Mignano Monte Lungo
7272 Tunisie
7269 Gallabat et Metemma
12506 Russian Breakout
?? Lipovec https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/e ... w/?id=1312
?? Rzhev https://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/e ... w/?id=4670

Hope it's useful Tisaac. Let me know if there's other stuff I can do to help.

[jeroenh]

okay, the discussion derailed again, could we get back on track on selecting arena maps?

I would vote to remove the desert tank maps. In regular play they are just a crap shoot where the first player to get an all in the right section, or an armor overrun will most likely win. They can be great in breakthrough, but not the regular map.

[MagnusNygaard]

okay, the discussion derailed again, could we get back on track on selecting arena maps?

I would vote to remove the desert tank maps. In regular play they are just a crap shoot where the first player to get an all in the right section, or an armor overrun will most likely win. They can be great in breakthrough, but not the regular map.

Agreed.
And I'm sorry to be one of the derailers...

[Waikirikiri]

okay, the discussion derailed again, could we get back on track on selecting arena maps?

I would vote to remove the desert tank maps. In regular play they are just a crap shoot where the first player to get an all in the right section, or an armor overrun will most likely win. They can be great in breakthrough, but not the regular map.

Disagree, even though I have been a victim of opponents with amazing cards and dice for these scenarios.

Arena forces both sides. You have an opportunity from the other side.

We need a good mix of scenarios, not just banning one type.

Perhaps if you meant desert scenarios with low victory medal counts.

[jeroenh]

I mean removing:

* 1st armoured to the rescue
* panzers versus grants
* dug in at sidi omar
* sidi rezegh airfield

And I have doubts about into the cauldron.

Especially the first four, if you have an armour assault and/or an all in the right section, that gives you so much of an advantage. Playing it two ways will not guarantee a balance in that regard.

[MagnusNygaard]

I mean removing:

* 1st armoured to the rescue
* panzers versus grants
* dug in at sidi omar
* sidi rezegh airfield

And I have doubts about into the cauldron.

Especially the first four, if you have an armour assault and/or an all in the right section, that gives you so much of an advantage. Playing it two ways will not guarantee a balance in that regard.

I certainly agree with all these choices, though I hade Sidi Rezegh Airfield more than the others, honestly.

[Waikirikiri]

I mean removing:

* 1st armoured to the rescue
* panzers versus grants
* dug in at sidi omar
* sidi rezegh airfield

And I have doubts about into the cauldron.

Especially the first four, if you have an armour assault and/or an all in the right section, that gives you so much of an advantage. Playing it two ways will not guarantee a balance in that regard.

I certainly agree with all these choices, though I hade Sidi Rezegh Airfield more than the others, honestly.

From that list I would only support, or agree with, the removal of Sidi Rezegh Airfield.