Take away Birthday card

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Re: Take away Birthday card

Post by matt186 »

Well put Meeplelowda.

This debate has been going on for a while and has started to go around in circles :? . Meeplelowda has summed it up neatly and come to the only workable conclusion (keep the status quo). Can we close this topic now please?
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Re: Take away Birthday card

Post by Zozoken »

Great post Meeplelowda! It's wild that this card has generated 5 pages of discussion.
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Re: Take away Birthday card

Post by n00lesscluebie »

The solution isn’t “leave it as it is so those who want to exploit it can exploit it”. And we’ve seen that it is unenforceable to do some kind of date check thing.

Rather the solution is to PUBLICIZE the exploit and make it obvious and clear beforehand that players can choose whichever if the options they want. That way it’s an even playing field. A simple note on the Games page would be sufficient
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Re: Take away Birthday card

Post by DField82 »

I'm quite new to this site. I have been playing Fluxx IRL since the early 2000s but I don't own a deck with this stupid holiday/birthday card in it, so this was new to me. Seemed fun at first, but everyone abusing it has totally ruined the game for me. To the point where I just don't want to play it.

People trying to excuse the behaviour by saying that you have to choose 1/2/3 BEORE seeing whether it's an advantage or not clearly don't understand probability. I mean, let's overlook the fact that you're just plain wrong - saying it's your birthday when it's not is lying and therefore totally against the spirit in which the card was intended to be used, i.e. getting a birthday gift.

But back to probability. I'm not getting into a massively detailed breakdown here, but there are many, MANY more advantageous outcomes by playing 3, than there are negative ones. You people make it sound like it's a 50/50 and there's an equal chance of getting lucky or getting unlucky by lying. But that's simply not true. The cheat option benefits you a disproportionately large number of times and therefore you are incentivised to cheat.

Sometimes, cheating can end the game there and then. It's a hugely dissatisfying way to lose, when you watch it unfold and can clearly see that you wouldn't have lost if they'd played the correct number of cards.

Because people cannot be trusted not to cheat, something should be done. Having the game automatically choose it randomly, as some have suggested, makes no sense to me, but I'd still prefer that to letting people cheat willy nilly. Because then you're at least all bound by the same rules. That's all we really want, to have everyone playing the same set of rules, so it's a level playing field.
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Re: Take away Birthday card

Post by FunBoardPlayer »

Here are the scenarios:

1) Keep the card, and players are free to "cheat" around it.
2) Keep the card, and burden the developers with instituting some sort of "verification system" to "keep it honest".
2A) And even if such a system were reliably put in place, players could merely only choose to play the game on those "special days".
3) Recognize that regardless of how or whether this matter is resolved, we are talking about virtually having little to no impact whatsoever in a game that has heavy variance (luck), which of itself makes this thread quite amusing.

My $0.02. Oops, I mean $0.03 (Today's my friend's birthday).
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