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Unfair behaviour in last Scopa Arena. title should be revoked

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at 13:50 I was first in the standings in the Arena. the second in the standings started a match just before 2.00 pm, which lasted beyond 2.00 pm, therefore after the closing of the Arena, scheduled for 2.00 pm. Although the match ended over time, he was awarded victory points and won the Arena. I also specify that he won the game, and therefore also the Arena, BY ABANDONMENT by his friend he was playing against. An evidently not casual abandonment... this place should be a place of play, of loyalty, of sportsmanship. if you are allowed to win by these subterfuges it is not a pleasant place. I ask those responsible and those in power to verify and fix things. Thank you

Give a look:
https://imgur.com/a/H3Q3u6C

I can also provide video
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Re: Unfair behaviour in last Scopa Arena. title should be revoked

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Vogliovincere wrote: 11 April 2023, 14:48 at 13:50 I was first in the standings in the Arena. the second in the standings started a match just before 2.00 pm, which lasted beyond 2.00 pm, therefore after the closing of the Arena, scheduled for 2.00 pm. Although the match ended over time, he was awarded victory points and won the Arena. I also specify that he won the game, and therefore also the Arena, BY ABANDONMENT by his friend he was playing against. An evidently not casual abandonment... this place should be a place of play, of loyalty, of sportsmanship. if you are allowed to win by these subterfuges it is not a pleasant place. I ask those responsible and those in power to verify and fix things. Thank you

Give a look:
https://imgur.com/a/H3Q3u6C
he conceded the game in a strong position holding a 7 with a 7 on the board (move #146) PLUS made a few other suspect moves at #98 and #116. it was unfair, irragular, someone should take position.
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Re: Unfair behaviour in last Scopa Arena. title should be revoked

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Vogliovincere wrote: 11 April 2023, 14:48 at 13:50 I was first in the standings in the Arena. the second in the standings started a match just before 2.00 pm, which lasted beyond 2.00 pm, therefore after the closing of the Arena, scheduled for 2.00 pm. Although the match ended over time, he was awarded victory points and won the Arena. I also specify that he won the game, and therefore also the Arena, BY ABANDONMENT by his friend he was playing against. An evidently not casual abandonment... this place should be a place of play, of loyalty, of sportsmanship. if you are allowed to win by these subterfuges it is not a pleasant place. I ask those responsible and those in power to verify and fix things. Thank you

Give a look:
https://imgur.com/a/H3Q3u6C

I can also provide video
should not be possible winning points aster abandoning of the opponent in the last 10/15 days before the ending of Arena season
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Re: Unfair behaviour in last Scopa Arena. title should be revoked

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Vogliovincere wrote: 12 April 2023, 10:57
Vogliovincere wrote: 11 April 2023, 14:48 at 13:50 I was first in the standings in the Arena. the second in the standings started a match just before 2.00 pm, which lasted beyond 2.00 pm, therefore after the closing of the Arena, scheduled for 2.00 pm. Although the match ended over time, he was awarded victory points and won the Arena. I also specify that he won the game, and therefore also the Arena, BY ABANDONMENT by his friend he was playing against. An evidently not casual abandonment... this place should be a place of play, of loyalty, of sportsmanship. if you are allowed to win by these subterfuges it is not a pleasant place. I ask those responsible and those in power to verify and fix things. Thank you

Give a look:
https://imgur.com/a/H3Q3u6C

I can also provide video
should not be possible winning points aster abandoning of the opponent in the last 10/15 days before the ending of Arena season
I understand your frustration with that particular game but if you follow that logic thru then users who are behind in games will just concede or time out if they know their opponent won't be awarded any pts?
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Re: Unfair behaviour in last Scopa Arena. title should be revoked

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FelixFelicus7 wrote: 13 April 2023, 07:33
Vogliovincere wrote: 12 April 2023, 10:57
Vogliovincere wrote: 11 April 2023, 14:48 at 13:50 I was first in the standings in the Arena. the second in the standings started a match just before 2.00 pm, which lasted beyond 2.00 pm, therefore after the closing of the Arena, scheduled for 2.00 pm. Although the match ended over time, he was awarded victory points and won the Arena. I also specify that he won the game, and therefore also the Arena, BY ABANDONMENT by his friend he was playing against. An evidently not casual abandonment... this place should be a place of play, of loyalty, of sportsmanship. if you are allowed to win by these subterfuges it is not a pleasant place. I ask those responsible and those in power to verify and fix things. Thank you

Give a look:
https://imgur.com/a/H3Q3u6C

I can also provide video
should not be possible winning points aster abandoning of the opponent in the last 10/15 days before the ending of Arena season
I understand your frustration with that particular game but if you follow that logic thru then users who are behind in games will just concede or time out if they know their opponent won't be awarded any pts?
well a solution should be taken. it seems no one is caring what has happened, and it is really a bad signal to fair and loyalty. it' serious.
The right solution should be someone in charge watches the match #365851308, that made the second become the winner of the Scopa Arena, and all would be clear to his eyes. unfair, very unfair, subterfuges irregularities disloyals should be punished and prevented
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Re: Unfair behaviour in last Scopa Arena. title should be revoked

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Hai una bella fantasia!
Perchè hai omesso di dire che ti avevo invitato a giocare? Sarebbe stato bello giocarcela uno contro l'altra.
Inoltre in base al regolamento tu potresti vincere giocando l'utima partita il 18 febbraio ed io non posso giocare fino all'ultimo minuto?
Il mio avversario si è scusato, aveva finito la pausa e l'hai letto anche tu ed era talmente accondiscendente che la partita era pari. E comunque se avessi voluto potevi esserci tu al suo posto, ma hai preferito stare a guardare... Chi di noi voleva vincere?

You have a beautiful imagination!
Why did you fail to mention that I invited you to play? It would have been nice to play against each other.
Also according to the rules you could win by playing the last game on February 18th and I can't play until the last minute?
My opponent apologized, he had finished the break and you read it too and he was so condescending that the game was even. And in any case, if you wanted to, you could have been there instead of him, but you preferred to watch ...

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Re: Unfair behaviour in last Scopa Arena. title should be revoked

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Erythron Rodon wrote: 15 April 2023, 14:21 Hai una bella fantasia!
Perchè hai omesso di dire che ti avevo invitato a giocare? Sarebbe stato bello giocarcela uno contro l'altra.
Inoltre in base al regolamento tu potresti vincere giocando l'utima partita il 18 febbraio ed io non posso giocare fino all'ultimo minuto?
Il mio avversario si è scusato, aveva finito la pausa e l'hai letto anche tu ed era talmente accondiscendente che la partita era pari. E comunque se avessi voluto potevi esserci tu al suo posto, ma hai preferito stare a guardare... Chi di noi voleva vincere?

You have a beautiful imagination!
Why did you fail to mention that I invited you to play? It would have been nice to play against each other.
Also according to the rules you could win by playing the last game on February 18th and I can't play until the last minute?
My opponent apologized, he had finished the break and you read it too and he was so condescending that the game was even. And in any case, if you wanted to, you could have been there instead of him, but you preferred to watch ...

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Yes, you invited me to play, I refused, this is not unfair or against rules. What you did is really against loyalty, it is unfair. If someone looked the match, even now, he would realize how unfair you and your friend (who conceded the victory) are. all the match can be reviewed and it is very clear it was something unfair and agreed with the abandoner. If the random system makes me play against you, it is not a problem. I will not refuse, never. But after 3 months, in the last minutes of the Arena, I am not obliged to accept your invitation, since I am first and not stupid. You need to get first, you need to risk, why should I have to accept to play against you in the last day of the Arena? well, realizing how unfair you are (and you yourself confirm the facts) and what are you able to do in order to get first, I suspect you are a juventus fan...... they are really happy to win in the same way you did. facts are that you made an agreement with your friend in order to have the game conceded and win the Arena. this is unfair. If I refuse to play against you the last day of the Arena it's not against rules neither unfair. does it exist a committee to investigate? someone who wants to review the match and understand how unfair you are?
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Erythron Rodon wrote: 15 April 2023, 14:21 Hai una bella fantasia!
Perchè hai omesso di dire che ti avevo invitato a giocare? Sarebbe stato bello giocarcela uno contro l'altra.
Inoltre in base al regolamento tu potresti vincere giocando l'utima partita il 18 febbraio ed io non posso giocare fino all'ultimo minuto?
Il mio avversario si è scusato, aveva finito la pausa e l'hai letto anche tu ed era talmente accondiscendente che la partita era pari. E comunque se avessi voluto potevi esserci tu al suo posto, ma hai preferito stare a guardare... Chi di noi voleva vincere?

You have a beautiful imagination!
Why did you fail to mention that I invited you to play? It would have been nice to play against each other.
Also according to the rules you could win by playing the last game on February 18th and I can't play until the last minute?
My opponent apologized, he had finished the break and you read it too and he was so condescending that the game was even. And in any case, if you wanted to, you could have been there instead of him, but you preferred to watch ...

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WHO WANTS TO REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW UNFAIR IS ERYTHRON RODON, GIVE A LOOK:
https://imgur.com/a/H3Q3u6C match #365851308
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Erythron Rodon wrote: 15 April 2023, 14:21 Hai una bella fantasia!
Perchè hai omesso di dire che ti avevo invitato a giocare? Sarebbe stato bello giocarcela uno contro l'altra.
Inoltre in base al regolamento tu potresti vincere giocando l'utima partita il 18 febbraio ed io non posso giocare fino all'ultimo minuto?
Il mio avversario si è scusato, aveva finito la pausa e l'hai letto anche tu ed era talmente accondiscendente che la partita era pari. E comunque se avessi voluto potevi esserci tu al suo posto, ma hai preferito stare a guardare... Chi di noi voleva vincere?

You have a beautiful imagination!
Why did you fail to mention that I invited you to play? It would have been nice to play against each other.
Also according to the rules you could win by playing the last game on February 18th and I can't play until the last minute?
My opponent apologized, he had finished the break and you read it too and he was so condescending that the game was even. And in any case, if you wanted to, you could have been there instead of him, but you preferred to watch ...

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WHO WANTS TO REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW UNFAIR IS ERYTHRON RODON, GIVE A LOOK:
https://imgur.com/a/H3Q3u6C match #365851308
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Mi sono iscritto con piacere a BGA mesi fa. Ho iniziato a giocare a Scopa, il mio gioco preferito. Gioco a Scopa da quando sono nato, posso dire che ho prima imparato a giocare a scopa e poi a parlare… all’inizio c’era qualche problema relativo alle regole, che per fortuna è stato corretto grazie a un mio suggerimento, molto votato.
Ultimamente non mi sta piacendo più giocare a scopa su BGA. Ho rilevato che esiste un algoritmo che indirizza la fortuna.
Molto probabilmente ogni nuovo utente che inizia a giocare si vede assegnato un coefficiente di fortuna più elevato, e probabilmente ne ho goduto anche io, non so.
Tuttavia nella vita reale solitamente vinco 3 partite su 4, pertanto non mi era strano rilevare che anche su BGA ne vincevo circa 3 su 4. Ultimamente però, in un periodo di osservazione abbastanza ampio, contro ogni logica, contro la matematica, contro la statistica, sto perdendo 7 partite su 10, più o meno.
Siccome non posso essere diventato scarso di colpo, siccome su altre piattaforme e nella vita reale la mia percentuale di vittorie resta tranquillamente sopra il 70%, mi sono risposto che su BGA deve esserci un algoritmo che ultimamente mi penalizza. Ho pensato all’algoritmo che favorisce i nuovi utenti, poi ho pensato anche al pollice verso. Forse il pollice verso in qualche modo abbassa il coefficiente di fortuna di chi lo riceve? Ognuno di noi su BGA ha la possibilità di dare un pollice verso a un altro utente, in modo da abbassare il rating di tale utente, col risultato anche di non giocarci più contro. In un mondo perfetto, si darebbe il pollice verso in presenza di validi motivi. Nulla vieta su BGA di dare pollice verso semplicemente perché quel giocatore ti è antipatico, oppure perché vince troppo spesso e non vuoi più giocarci contro, soprattutto se vuoi vincere l’Arena. Tali comportamenti non sono etici, ma purtroppo accadono. Ho perso l’Arena all’ultimo minuto proprio per un comportamento estremamente scorretto dell’attuale campione in carica. Nonostante molte evidenze dell’accaduto, nessuno ha deciso di revocare il titolo a chi lo ha vinto con l’inganno. Questo mi è dispiaciuto molto, credo sempre nell’etica sportiva. Mi sarei aspettato da BGA l’analisi della partita incriminata, avrebbero notato lapalissianamente il comportamento scorretto. Sarei stato nuovamente vincitore dell’Arena, dopo aver già vinto la precedente.
Ma torniamo alla questione dell’algoritmo. Un algoritmo che distribuisce la fortuna c’è di sicuro, vorrei solo capire da cosa è governato e indirizzato, se favorisce i nuovi utenti, se penalizza chi ha qualche pollice verso (anche se ricevuto senza motivo o perché non piace perdere). Dico che c’è di sicuro, perché se prendo un mazzo di carte e gioco nella vita reale, ne vinco 3 su 4. E la mia statistica dura da 45 anni, abbastanza lunga da essere sufficientemente credibile e scientifica. Nel corso delle mie ultime partite su BGA mi sono capitate cose assurde, ai limiti dell’irrazionale, come se BGA volesse a tutti i costi farmi perdere, per motivi che non conosco. Forse perché ho insistito nel voler far revocare il titolo di campione a chi lo ha vinto con l’inganno nell’ultima stagione, forse perché conosco troppo bene il gioco della Scopa al punto di insistere nel voler vedere corretti errori nell’applicazione di alcune regole, forse perché qualcuno che ha perso troppe volte contro di me ha deciso di darmi pollice verso pur di non perdere più. Non lo so. Solo BGA e forse Piratjack possono conoscere la verità.
Sono deluso, è frustrante vedere un indirizzamento forzoso della gara verso la mia sconfitta, ogni qualvolta ultimamente io provi a giocare.
Proverò ancora, la Scopa mi piace troppo, ma se le cose restano così, non mi piace perdere il mio tempo, voglio giocare ad armi pari.
Scusate lo sfogo.
Grazie a tutti

I gladly joined BGA months ago. I started playing Scopa, my favorite game. I've been playing Scopa since I was born, I can say that I first learned to play Scopa and then to talk... at the beginning there was some problem related to the rules, which fortunately was corrected thanks to my suggestion, highly voted.
Lately I'm not enjoying playing scopa on BGA anymore. I have detected that there is an algorithm that directs fortune.
Most likely every new user who starts playing is assigned a higher luck coefficient, and I probably enjoyed it too, I don't know.
However, in real life I usually win 3 out of 4 games, so it was not strange for me to notice that I also won about 3 out of 4 on BGA. However, lately, in a fairly long period of observation, against all logic, against mathematics, against statistics, I'm losing 7 games out of 10, more or less.
Since I can't have suddenly become unable, since on other platforms and in real life my win percentage remains easily above 70%, I answered myself that on BGA there must be an algorithm that penalizes me lately. I thought about the algorithm that favors new users, then I also thought about the thumbs down. Maybe the thumbs down somehow lowers the recipient's luck coefficient? Each of us on BGA has the opportunity to give a thumbs down to another user, in order to lower the rating of that user, with the result also of not playing against him anymore. In a perfect world, one would give a thumbs down for good reason. Nothing prevents from giving a thumbs down simply because you dislike that player, or because he wins too often and you don't want to play against him anymore, especially if you want to win the Arena. Such behaviors are unethical, but unfortunately they happen. I lost the previous Arena at the last minute due to extremely incorrect behavior by the current champion. Despite much evidence of what happened, no one has decided to revoke the title of those who won it by deception. I was very sorry for that, I always believe in ethics. I would have expected from BGA the analysis of the game, they would have clearly noticed the incorrect behavior. I would have won the Arena again, after having already won the previous one.
But let's go back to the question of the algorithm. There is an algorithm that distributes luck for sure, I would just like to understand by what it is governed and directed, if it favors new users, if it penalizes those who have a few thumbs down (even if received for no reason or because the givers don't like to lose). I say there is for sure, because if I take a deck of cards and play in real life, I win 3 out of 4. And my statistic has been going on for 45 years, long enough to be believable and scientific enough. During my last games on BGA, absurd things have happened to me, bordering on the irrational, as if BGA wanted to make me lose at all costs, for reasons I don't know. Perhaps because I insisted on having the title of champion revoked from the player who won it by deception in the last season, perhaps because I know the Scopa game too well to the point of insisting on wanting errors corrected in the application of some rules , perhaps because someone who has lost too many times against me has decided to give me a thumbs down in order not to lose again. I do not know. Only BGA and maybe Piratjack can know the truth.
I'm disappointed, it's frustrating to see a forced direction of the match towards my defeat, every time I try to play lately.
I'll try again, I like Scopa too much, but if things stay like this, I don't like wasting my time, I want to play on equal terms.
Excuse the outburst.
Thank you all
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