Why is elo supposed to "increase community & cooperation"? This does not sound right. Especially the conclusion that 5p is somehow better than 2p based on that. And that you get more return for larger player counts. Elo will even out at your eventual skill level so reducing the gains actually does nothing in the big picture.orgle wrote: ↑21 December 2023, 06:22 If the point is to increase community & cooperation, then 5p games should get the highest return on ELO, then 4p and so on. 2p should be the lowest. It's far easier to start a 2p game, it plays faster, and it's so much easier to find 1 other player at the same convention level as you than 4 others.
But I would be happier with a separation between 2p and Multi-player instead. I dislike playing with Masters who climbed the ranks only playing 2p -- not because I'm a 5p elitist, but because the conventions are vastly different, and they take a lot of time to learn. If I'm playing a Master-restricted 5p game, I expect Masters of 5p games, otherwise we're simply not speaking the same language.
All that being said, it still makes no sense to have invisible ELO. There are far better solutions for negativity at Hanabi tables, and it starts with helping players make their table's conventions more clearly known.
I play 2p especially because it is faster. But that should not indicate that my elo would be higher than someone's who only plays 4p. It's something else. More likely because there is less of a chance that of a bad player joining the game. If I can carry one player by myself, it would be hard to carry 2. The play style is different, yes, but there are quite many nuances that 3+p players do not grasp, so they always make stupid mistakes. Sure, I would probably not play as well in 3p as my elo would indicate. I don't think there would really be a way to calculate the same elo score for both player bases anyway.
If someone has never played a 3+p game, you can not really judge their skill for that based on only 2p games. So any kind of common-calculation would become meaningless for other game variations. So, yes. Separating elo calculations based on specific variants makes a lot of sense here. Nothing else would.