wishing a bomb out of your partner

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--Q--
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Re: wishing a bomb out of your partner

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The Mahjongg is a very powerful card, yet used the wrong way pretty often. The cases where you just go for a random number are way rarer than people believe. With many hands you want to call a specific card.

Example: You have 1 22333 66QQQ K A DR.
You want to call that hand and the only correct call here is King (unless you gave your partner King). You will mostly lose your hand if QQQ falls, so taking out another King protects your Queens. If Queens get hit by Aces, your King is good now, so thats not too much of a problem.

Example: You have a hand that relies on a straight from 4-9 to not get hit. You should wish 10 here so you might kill a straight from the next player that hits your straight. If he wants to hit your straight, he definetly needs a 10, so time to get rid of that. This wish is best if you have 101010 on your own because you can be sure there is no more straight to 10 out there, unless the phenix is used which is mostly awesome.

Example: You have a mediocre hand with the knowledge of trades that your team lacks highcards. You might want to wish an Ace because you will hit your partner less likely.

Example: The opponent next to you called Grand and you have phenix but no aces. You might want to call for a 6 to kill a small straight since he cant compensate that without phenix.

In many cases going for a random number is wrong anyways, so the point "lets see whose bomb we gonna hit" is entertaining and fun, but mostly not the correct play.
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Re: wishing a bomb out of your partner

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--Q-- wrote: 02 February 2024, 13:58 The Mahjongg is a very powerful card, yet used the wrong way pretty often. The cases where you just go for a random number are way rarer than people believe. With many hands you want to call a specific card.
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This was an excellent post, very much eye opening for me. Your reasoning for wishes are warranted, you are protecting your call. That reason alone is sufficient enough for a blind wish, as I have acknowledged also previously.
I have however thought long and hard about the statistics that players refer to when justifying blind wishes and are not protecting a call. If finding the bomb is just one element of it, but destroying your opponent's low straight should have more merit, then the math behind it isn't as much on your side as you perhaps thought.
If you are not buying into my philosophy, that your actions, the wish phase included, are either beneficial for your team or they are not, so a 50/50 split, then we should have a look at the 67/33 argument.
Say you are missing a number from the trade, meaning you have not seen, e.g., a 3 and you wish for this card hoping to ruin some bombs or better yet, someone's low straight. The number of possible combinations of distribution of the card among the three remaining players is 15. (400,040,004,310,301,130,103,013,031,220,202,022,211,121,112). The percentage that you at all are hitting the next player is indeed 10/15 = 66% (The chance of him having that card in any quantity greater than 0). But your arguments for blind wishing isn't about just hitting a player, because for that you could just be wishing for the passed card and you'd be guaranteed to hit him. Your arguments are about ruining bombs and straights. So for that to happen, the opponent must have all 4 of that value or exactly 1. And there are only six such situations out of 15, where you are hitting your target. (two bomb cases and 4 cases with the next player only having 1 card of that value). 6/15 is 40%.
And this is all done totally ignoring the fact, that your passed card, which you refuse to wish for, may very well have formed a bomb or a straight, that you so eagerly set out to find.

So if --Q--'s arguments did not convince you, please consider, that blind wishes don't achieve what you think they are achieving, and are just adding to the randomness of the game, which you should be eliminating, not seeking, if you think you're the better player/pair.
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