Ephesus is too weak!

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tyranno25
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Joined: 30 January 2022, 07:48

Ephesus is too weak!

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I dread getting Ephesus. It hardly ever wins and often comes in last. It has the least number of total victory points after Babylon and it has three random draws. And the problem with the random draws is that you have no idea what you will be drawing. Ephesus needs an extra random draw, perhaps at the lowest level, or an extra victory point or two at one or two of the stages.
Gngrman
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Re: Ephesus is too weak!

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tyranno25 wrote: 30 April 2024, 01:48 I dread getting Ephesus. It hardly ever wins and often comes in last. It has the least number of total victory points after Babylon and it has three random draws. And the problem with the random draws is that you have no idea what you will be drawing. Ephesus needs an extra random draw, perhaps at the lowest level, or an extra victory point or two at one or two of the stages.
I agree!! Definitely needs some upgrades to make progress worth it
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robadub
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Re: Ephesus is too weak!

Post by robadub »

So funny enough, I just played you playing Ephesus.
I'm not convinced it has an advantage over playing Olympia, where its opponents also know at least one of the cards Olympia is getting, so if you're an opponent you can snatch those away if you don't like Olympia having it. If Olympus is way down on shields, and is forced to take too horns, that nullifies his 2 bonus card advantage entirely. The biggest weakness with Olympia, I find, is its 4th layer bottleneck.

Also, Ephesus does have a structural advantage over the other wonders, where you can complete the three middle layers in any way you want. Its even possible, though rare, to complete the match 3 layer first, getting the dreaded bottleneck layer out of the way early, if you get the right progress token bonus.
I think the biggest disadvantage Ephesus has with its ability is not the potluck, but the fact that since we players tend to favor the shared card pool, there's a chance that it might be depleted when you finish that fourth layer.

Anyway, I seem to win reasonably often with Ephesus, as with the other underrated Wonder Colossus. I'd like to see BGA put out statistics on the win-frequency of these wonders.
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cosmosis
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Re: Ephesus is too weak!

Post by cosmosis »

I'd also like to see statistics. Ephesus for me is just usually a wonder rush strategy, and it seems to work pretty well.
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