Is this a bug? Favor selection & Power conversions

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ReltzSev
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Is this a bug? Favor selection & Power conversions

Post by ReltzSev »

The rules are not very clear on this scenario:
After giving players a chance to gain power when building, before favor tile selection, I can not use power conversions.

The rules state both:
Anytime during your turn, on top of your Action, you may do any number of Conversions.

AND

On your turn, you may do any number of Conversions before or after your Action

So should I be able to convert during my scenario or are you only allowed to convert before or after your action? I'm very salty about not getting my 2 coins :|
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FBones
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Re: Is this a bug? Favor selection & Power conversions

Post by FBones »

I'm going to give two explanations for this behavior, one explanation is pertinent to the specific situation you mention. The second explanation subsumes this and shows that the first explanation is in some sense irrelevant :).

But first, let me say that what I write below may sound a bit unempathetic. You are correct that the rulebook could be written better here. It definitely says "Anytime" at one point, which clashes with other parts that indicate this is not the case. The below is intended to indicate why (taken as a whole) the game behavior matches the rules as written.

Explanation 1
In the specific case you mention, you cannot perform a conversion because all the actions in view are considered as happening at the same time (in game-time) even if logistically players have to decide one at a time whether to take power. This is hinted/indicated in two ways: generally if the rules say "when X, Y", X & Y are considered (in game time) to be happening simultaneously. Compare this with "After X, Y". Secondly, the rulebook says Upgrading a Trading house to a Temple costs 2 Workers and 5 Coins*. As a reward immediately choose and select a favor tile., since gaining a favor tile occurs immediately, there is no opportunity to do something else.

Explanation 2
It is true that the (English) rulebook says Anytime during your turn..., but that general statement is tempered/modulated by the Details section that occurs later. The rulebook uses this pattern in multiple places---giving a general outline of a game aspect and then providing implementation details in the Details section. When discussing the start of game, the rulebook initially just says place one of your dwellings..., and later (in the Details section it clarifies it must be the left-most.

In the case of Conversions the Details section indicates that conversion occur before or after actions, not in the midst of them.

This can be real issue for Alchemists or Prospectors who get power from digging, but they are not allowed to use that power in the midst of the transform and build action. (Example, Alchemist digs a hex and then wants to use that power to convert for a worker/coins in order to build a dwelling during the same action so the hex does not get stolen.)
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