swiss system number of rounds

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Songo
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Re: swiss system number of rounds

Post by Songo »

we're having a new season and this would be so useful (:

just leaving this here as a bump and to see if anyone else feels this would be a nice format (its basically elimination, except everyone gets to keep playing xD and then count how many times each won at the end

and i know everyone seems to think their stuff is easy to implement, but this is basically just a variable number of rounds based on number of players with a simple equation :D
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Meeplelowda
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Re: swiss system number of rounds

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A bunch of people discussed this feature above, but not a single one linked to an active submission in the bugs/suggestions system. I searched for one, but I couldn't find one so I created one: https://boardgamearena.com/bug?id=142911

My suggestion differs from using sqrt(P) rounded up + 1, where P is the total number of players in a tournament (mentioned in a post above), because that is used in the context of chess in which draws are possible. Thus more rounds may be necessary to gain clarity. But on BGA, even if a game's rules allow for a game ending in a tie the tournament framework will assign a winner regardless. So as long as 2^(N-1) < P <= 2^N where N is the number of rounds, an undefeated player will emerge after N rounds.

Caveats:
1) This probably is not applicable to 3+ player games.
2) Neither my system nor the one suggested above is likely to be implemented because it seems to be the BGA preference that all parameters of a tournament are known prior to someone registering so that they know what they are committing to. Under my system if a round lasts one week, someone may not know if they have a 3-week commitment or a 5-week commitment (or longer, depending on the maximum players setting).
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BananaHarambe
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Re: swiss system number of rounds

Post by BananaHarambe »

Priskus wrote: 03 April 2022, 23:17 Add it please, and also double elimination tournaments :)
In case anyone is wondering, Double elimination tournaments are currently doable via Group Stage Swiss with single elimination. Link to an upcoming tournament. https://boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=335519

It's not a perfect system, but it can be configured pretty good with the existing settings. Ideally Group Stage could only have 1 group so everyone starts under the same Swiss stage to determine cutoff/ placement for single elimination finals. We currently need to make 2 groups minimum so I just adjust the tournament size and number of Swiss matches with this in mind.

Back to the main topic of this thread, which is the request to make Swiss tournaments have an option for a calculated number of round rather than predetermined, as is ideal for tournaments with an unknown number of participants. Another feature that goes well with an adjustable number of matches in Swiss is an adjustable score requirement to advance to the next round. This allows Group Stage Swiss/SE tournaments to be setup with flexible size, but still allow the same target record (X-1 or X-2) to advance regardless.

As usual with BGA tournaments, these suggestions make most sense for 2 player tournaments and might fall apart with 3+ player tournaments. My opinion is that tournament coding should be optimized for 2 player tournament and any higher player counts are a bonus. Preferably no major tournament bugs/crashes for 3+ player but if the pairing are a bit wonky, not too big of a deal IMO.
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