how did this opponent won with 0 verififier?

[Romain672]

Ok I just find one which is easy:
https://boardgamearena.com/archive/repl ... s=84207926;

Solutions were:
b min: 234-254
y min: 434
p min: 432-452

No information about blue or purple except C.
They test C on the yellow and it's wrong.
Then they test 452 sucesfully.
On that game, they did a weird choice by starting win the single solution, then tested 452 randomly over 254.

First, the start is weird. Secondly, they could assume they needed to take a coinflip to guess.
Maybe it's anomaly but from what you said it seem not. But that's very weird for sure.


edit: I want to add that after checking to 10 others games, that one was the only one weird. So it's totally possible it's a mistake from them, or a mistake from me writing the game on my solver.

[Mattuna74]

I was also checking the games of the first players in the arena and it was clear that somehow they were cheating. Solving hard games with 6 verifiers immediately without checking any of the verifiers is clearly not humanly possible. So I wondered reading your posts..how do they do that. The answer was a combination of your previous posts. In the official website https://turingmachine.info/ you create a challenge with the verifiers that are given in the game and then just look up the solution. Conclusion..the arena for this game does not make any sense since it is not possible to know if someone is just clever or he/she is using the official website to solve the puzzle. What is incredible is that these players did not even try to simulate like doing maybe 2 or 3 verifiers…they simply entered directly the correct solution haha…wow what a world…

[Jellby]

There's no need to go to turingmachine.info and try/guess. You can find out which verifiers are in play from the game page only.

[poptasticboy]

I was also checking the games of the first players in the arena and it was clear that somehow they were cheating. Solving hard games with 6 verifiers immediately without checking any of the verifiers is clearly not humanly possible. So I wondered reading your posts..how do they do that. The answer was a combination of your previous posts. In the official website https://turingmachine.info/ you create a challenge with the verifiers that are given in the game and then just look up the solution. Conclusion..the arena for this game does not make any sense since it is not possible to know if someone is just clever or he/she is using the official website to solve the puzzle. What is incredible is that these players did not even try to simulate like doing maybe 2 or 3 verifiers…they simply entered directly the correct solution haha…wow what a world…

1. You can't normally just look up "the solution" as there may be many different possible puzzles from any given set of criteria cards. Repeat the search and you'll get different solutions.

2. It is never-the-less completely possible to solve specific Hard/6 verifier puzzles legitimately in 0-questions sometimes, it all depends on the specific puzzle.

3. What would be suspicious is if the games you are talking about are real-time games... I know I personally couldn't solve these puzzles so efficiently in real-time, and I would struggle to believe that anyone could do it consistently.

[Mattuna74]

I am not sure that I understand what you mean.If you create a challenge (on https://turingmachine.info/) with the same criteria cards that you get in the bga game, you have only one solution. Considering that to create a challenge in the official website takes seconds, I don’t see the problem in doing that also for the online bga games. And this is what people at the top of the arena are doing…..

[Romain672]

I am not sure that I understand what you mean.If you create a challenge (on https://turingmachine.info/) with the same criteria cards that you get in the bga game, you have only one solution. Considering that to create a challenge in the official website takes seconds, I don’t see the problem in doing that also for the online bga games. And this is what people at the top of the arena are doing…..

So try it yourself after each game.
You will see that most of the time (outside of easy 6) that will be wrong.

The website only tell you one solution, not all the solutions.

[poptasticboy]

I am not sure that I understand what you mean.If you create a challenge (on https://turingmachine.info/) with the same criteria cards that you get in the bga game, you have only one solution. Considering that to create a challenge in the official website takes seconds, I don’t see the problem in doing that also for the online bga games. And this is what people at the top of the arena are doing…..

Try doing it more than once with the same set of criteria cards. Most of the time (particularly with hard puzzles) you'll get different solutions each time.

A particular set of criteria cards might lead to different solutions depending on what answers they give. If you use the site to generate a puzzle it will generate *one* possible solution, but there's no guarantee that that's the correct solution for the specific puzzle that BGA has generated.

[Jellby]

a) It may be an easy way to find the solution for challenges that have a single solution. No need to do logical deductions, no need to code/download a solver.

b) I'm not sure all possible challenges are available in the official webpage, and the BGA game will only pick one from the webpage. So, if a given challenge has several different variants (because different verifiers may be selected), but only one of them is available in the webpage, then you find the solution.

[Mattuna74]

If you give me a set of 6 cards that generate a valid game and has more than 1 solution I will be happy to test it. At the moment I cannot find any.

[poptasticboy]

If you give me a set of 6 cards that generate a valid game and has more than 1 solution I will be happy to test it. At the moment I cannot find any.

Seriously, for most Hard puzzles (and many Standard or even Easy) the set of criteria cards would have multiple possible puzzles, just try it! As an example, the cards 7, 21, 24, 33, 36, 40 have generated 4 different answers in my first 4 tries.