ok I give up, what's the deal with forfeiting

[JohnnyCyclops]

Full details - In my current game, the score is currently 1-0 in my opponents favour. It's a 3 point game
Doubling cube is with them, so the game is worth 2 points. I'm well ahead. I'm 5 turns away from the win, and they still have 2 stones in my home area.

They continually offer to forfeit, because if I take it, I only get 2 points, and then there's one more game. They've offered it 5 times now.
If we play on, I may get 3 points with a gammon, and win outright. So it's not the same as the above example. If I accept the forfeit, I could still end up losing overall.

So, what is the etiquette is in this case? In real life, etiquette would be offer to forfeit except there's no way the person who is close to winning with a gammon would accept. In my opinion, even offering it is a bit rude.

In my example it was not clear, and I can’t now recall, if the offered forfeit was presented as a ‘backgammon’ to me.

I’ve just tested with a friendly pass&play hotseat game against myself and immediately forfeited. There’s then a popup with three options for me to select, of forfeiting for a point, or a gammon, or a backgammon. I guess my recent opponent knew enough to forfeit for a backgammon, although I only needed a single point to win the match.

When the forfeit reaches you does it say forfeit for a point, or does it say for a gammon/backgammon. Perhaps in chat ask the opponent to offer a forfeit for a gammon but explain that will cost them 4 points and the match. You say the doubling cube is in action so that’s 2pts multiplied by 2 for the gammon.

You’re fully in your rights to reject a one-point forfeit if the gammon win is possible.

[daveted]

Can he offer to resign multiple times on the same move?

That seems to be the case, but after about 5 offers and stalemating the game, it's suddenly letting me progress when I decline his offer.

No need to waste your time and nerves on toxic players.

I was about to do that, but now....the game seems to be working, so I'm happy again.

When the forfeit reaches you does it say forfeit for a point, or does it say for a gammon/backgammon.

Definitely a single point only, therefore 2 (thanks to the cube).

Thanks for the feedback, and for the suggestions.

[euklid314]

Full details - In my current game, the score is currently 1-0 in my opponents favour. It's a 3 point game
Doubling cube is with them, so the game is worth 2 points. I'm well ahead. I'm 5 turns away from the win, and they still have 2 stones in my home area.

They continually offer to forfeit, because if I take it, I only get 2 points, and then there's one more game. They've offered it 5 times now.
If we play on, I may get 3 points with a gammon, and win outright. So it's not the same as the above example. If I accept the forfeit, I could still end up losing overall.

So, what is the etiquette is in this case? In real life, etiquette would be offer to forfeit except there's no way the person who is close to winning with a gammon would accept. In my opinion, even offering it is a bit rude.

In my example it was not clear, and I can’t now recall, if the offered forfeit was presented as a ‘backgammon’ to me.

I’ve just tested with a friendly pass&play hotseat game against myself and immediately forfeited. There’s then a popup with three options for me to select, of forfeiting for a point, or a gammon, or a backgammon. I guess my recent opponent knew enough to forfeit for a backgammon, although I only needed a single point to win the match.

When the forfeit reaches you does it say forfeit for a point, or does it say for a gammon/backgammon. Perhaps in chat ask the opponent to offer a forfeit for a gammon but explain that will cost them 4 points and the match. You say the doubling cube is in action so that’s 2pts multiplied by 2 for the gammon.

You’re fully in your rights to reject a one-point forfeit if the gammon win is possible.

If one chooses the white flag (forfeit) one is asked if one wants to forfeit a single game / gammon / backgammon.

If you forfeit a backgammon it will be automatically accepted (since your opponent cannot win more in any case). That is the reason why some players resign a backgammon instead of a single game - then they do not have to wait for their opponent to accept.

The same is true if you have already borne off a checker and offer a resignation of single game. Since it is the maximum your opponent can gain it will be accepted automatically (does not work always I fear).

If your resignation offer has to be accepted your opponent can read "XXX offers to forfeit a single point", or "XXX offers to forfeit a gammon" and you can accept or reject. You cannot make return suggestions and alter your opponents offer.

[Shanhop11]

If you forfeit a backgammon it will be automatically accepted (since your opponent cannot win more in any case). That is the reason why some players resign a backgammon instead of a single game - then they do not have to wait for their opponent to accept.

This is not true. I forfeited a backgammon and my opponent was given the choice, and chose to reject it. I agree that this should be automatic.

[euklid314]

If you forfeit a backgammon it will be automatically accepted (since your opponent cannot win more in any case). That is the reason why some players resign a backgammon instead of a single game - then they do not have to wait for their opponent to accept.

This is not true. I forfeited a backgammon and my opponent was given the choice, and chose to reject it. I agree that this should be automatic.

Sorry, you are probably correct. I know that automatic acceptance of a forfeit does not always work when the forfeit would immediately end the game - but sometimes it does.

I assumed that it will always work when resigning a backgammon. But it seems that this is "buggy" too. I can confirm that I have resigned backgammons and they were automatically accepted. But I totally believe that it does not work every time.

[smattathias]

Fascinating array of responses all related to concessions, quitting, ending a match.

The difference between quitting and conceding is a big one. However, I try not to be super hard on someone requesting a quit, especially if we just started. Me, I usually just concede if the game has come to that.

[spotcard]

Full details - In my current game, the score is currently 1-0 in my opponents favour. It's a 3 point game
Doubling cube is with them, so the game is worth 2 points. I'm well ahead. I'm 5 turns away from the win, and they still have 2 stones in my home area.

They continually offer to forfeit, because if I take it, I only get 2 points, and then there's one more game. They've offered it 5 times now.
If we play on, I may get 3 points with a gammon, and win outright. So it's not the same as the above example. If I accept the forfeit, I could still end up losing overall.

So, what is the etiquette is in this case? In real life, etiquette would be offer to forfeit except there's no way the person who is close to winning with a gammon would accept. In my opinion, even offering it is a bit rude.

I've had this happen a number of times in tournament games. While any given time could be an honest mistake, it has happened often enough that I believe it is usually just a slimy attempt to avoid a gammon. I'm sure it works some percentage of the time as someone misclicks, or more likely, just accepts without thinking. Feel no guilt about declining, I often post a snarky note along the lines of 'nice try'. If the behavior is repeated, I think it would be appropriate to report it to the administrators.

[Mort1mer]

In arena play just now, 3 point match and we are at one game each. I accepted a double and then was on the verge of a gammon when my opponent conceded: I did not have to accept, it was automatic. This meant I won the match and it was over: the same result if I had pulled off the gammon.

...Or, was it? We get points for wins that determine how far we move up in rank (Bronze, Silver, Gold, etc.), so wouldn't I get more points for the gammon? It sure is the case that LOSING a gammon has dropped me more than if I just lost a match outright, but that may be due to some arcane scoring that depends on our relative ranks (I often find my self playing a much higher rank opponent).

I'll look for the details on how arena ranking works.

[Remkar]

In arena play just now, 3 point match and we are at one game each. I accepted a double and then was on the verge of a gammon when my opponent conceded: I did not have to accept, it was automatic. This meant I won the match and it was over: the same result if I had pulled off the gammon.

...Or, was it? We get points for wins that determine how far we move up in rank (Bronze, Silver, Gold, etc.), so wouldn't I get more points for the gammon? It sure is the case that LOSING a gammon has dropped me more than if I just lost a match outright, but that may be due to some arcane scoring that depends on our relative ranks (I often find my self playing a much higher rank opponent).

I'll look for the details on how arena ranking works.

No difference in result.

Arena rankings happen through BGA, not through the individual game. The game reports the win/lose state to BGA, then BGA uses that information only (the score itself doesn't matter) for ELO and arena rankings.

[Mort1mer]

"Arena rankings happen through BGA, not through the individual game. The game reports the win/lose state to BGA, then BGA uses that information only (the score itself doesn't matter) for ELO and arena rankings."

Thanks for the info. In the standard 3-point game with cube, I know from personal experience that whether or not I lost 0-3, 1-3, or 2-3 (or any other situations, like being 1-2 and losing a gammon, making it 1-4) will result in a loss of different points on the scale for ranking. Currently I am Gold rank, and have gotten up to the point that next rank is 3 away only to lose and drop 3 or so points based on the outcome of a single game. BGA must use some formula to determine the game outcome with regard to rank advancement, and that is what may be affected by winning the match 3-2 (opponent conceded) or 5-2 (opponent gammoned). Maybe it has to do with the versus ranks.

I admit that I may be wrong about this and the outcome (and rank advancement or decrement) would be the same if I won 3-2 or 5-2, but if that is NOT the case, then there is a bug in some situations (like board #664654046) where the concession is automatic.