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Glados93 wrote: ↑27 October 2024, 12:36 Its Aquifer Turbines at 42.25 % winrate (79/187 wins/plays)

Its closely followed by the expected Experimental Forest at 41.40 % winrate (65/157 wins/plays)

What's the stat for when playing those two prelude and claim Planner? I bet you that's the magic for the high winning percentage, Turbines to cards and/or eForest to card spot => Claim Planner with 2/3 free tempos power up from the board. Finally, cards are good in a card based game.

charliec247 wrote: ↑27 October 2024, 12:57

Glados93 wrote: ↑27 October 2024, 12:36 Its Aquifer Turbines at 42.25 % winrate (79/187 wins/plays)

Its closely followed by the expected Experimental Forest at 41.40 % winrate (65/157 wins/plays)

Where can I find the full list of this statistic?

Yes please share the wealth. Is this from the ssimeonoff github stats? I don't remember seeing Preludes on there, but may they are there? Best wishes.

I love Prelude. I don't think it necessarily changes any skill gap, but adds a lot more variety and different styles of gameplay one wouldn't normally pursue on a regular TM game. I honestly can't even go back to TM without prelude because it helps set you up initially and just not randomly buying cards. It also definitely helps speed up the game a decent bit. My friends and I are waiting for the 2nd prelude pre-order to come in and some additional promo cards. Can't wait to play that TM in person.

Yes, Prelude adds more strategy than luck.

To find the answer, we can compare the top performer in this and the previous arena season, which only differs in Prelude.

If the top player can maintain a higher Elo in a certain mode, it means the most has provided him more spaces to use his stragety.

The previous arena chamion RoyalRook finished at 599 Elo in his last match in the previous Season.
https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=556088577

The current leader Niiyaaa is at Elo 634 in this season
https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=586051691

So I can say, even though there seems to be some unbalanced corps and Preludes from the expansion, their performace are still situational. To find the synergies between them is an important skill where the best players can show their advantages.

This is rather embarrassing, but I am not a good example for this case. Corbz is more traditional than me, I like to clown around at times which add excitement to my matches, but not the friendliest way to build up your elo.

My counter point is that Corbz in season 17 was able to amass 2050 arena points, 100 points more than my season 18 1950. I suspect season 19 final points are going to be lower even with more experienced player base. There is just far less control with prelude, more hate cards.

RoyalRook wrote: ↑08 November 2024, 18:18 This is rather embarrassing, but I am not a good example for this case. Corbz is more traditional than me, I like to clown around at times which add excitement to my matches, but not the friendliest way to build up your elo.

My counter point is that Corbz in season 17 was able to amass 2050 arena points, 100 points more than my season 18 1950. I suspect season 19 final points are going to be lower even with more experienced player base. There is just far less control with prelude, more hate cards.

Season 17 also had no coperate era, right? So you are saying The non-corperate era game without Prelude is the most comfortable format for top players? That can be true, because there are fewer hate cards.

For 3p of course, 3p matches have way lower skill ceiling, mistakes could be hidden easily. 2p None Corp Era is extremely interesting but far drier than 2p Prelude. I love all the 2p matches, 2p Corp Era is just right, not too dry and not too volatile.

SYushen wrote: ↑08 November 2024, 18:52

RoyalRook wrote: ↑08 November 2024, 18:18 This is rather embarrassing, but I am not a good example for this case. Corbz is more traditional than me, I like to clown around at times which add excitement to my matches, but not the friendliest way to build up your elo.

My counter point is that Corbz in season 17 was able to amass 2050 arena points, 100 points more than my season 18 1950. I suspect season 19 final points are going to be lower even with more experienced player base. There is just far less control with prelude, more hate cards.

Season 17 also had no coperate era, right? So you are saying The non-corperate era game without Prelude is the most comfortable format for top players? That can be true, because there are fewer hate cards.

Generally the top players from the Steam ecosystem (which has been around for years and is very mature) and the tournament scene play 2p with preludes almost exclusively, so you won't see them in arena too much until the settings change. But generally 2p with preludes is considered the highest skill cap format and best for competitive play.

brh2113 wrote: ↑08 November 2024, 22:14

SYushen wrote: ↑08 November 2024, 18:52

RoyalRook wrote: ↑08 November 2024, 18:18 This is rather embarrassing, but I am not a good example for this case. Corbz is more traditional than me, I like to clown around at times which add excitement to my matches, but not the friendliest way to build up your elo.

My counter point is that Corbz in season 17 was able to amass 2050 arena points, 100 points more than my season 18 1950. I suspect season 19 final points are going to be lower even with more experienced player base. There is just far less control with prelude, more hate cards.

Season 17 also had no coperate era, right? So you are saying The non-corperate era game without Prelude is the most comfortable format for top players? That can be true, because there are fewer hate cards.

Generally the top players from the Steam ecosystem (which has been around for years and is very mature) and the tournament scene play 2p with preludes almost exclusively, so you won't see them in arena too much until the settings change. But generally 2p with preludes is considered the highest skill cap format and best for competitive play.

3p is the most popular format and makes more sense for the attacking cards, milestones and awards. I don’t care how people enjoy 2p. I only acknowledge people’s performance in 3-4p.

3p is not the most popular format, the hit cards are pointless in 3p but makes all the senses in 2p matches since it's a fully zero sum setting. Awards are all or nothing instead of king making in 3p. Once you are reached certain skill level, you won't bother wasting time in 3p games. 2p matches are for the true masters of the game. You have to understand, most players like you never competed with real top players, especially in online settings.
The live tournament "champions?" I saw their plays, they have no chance of competing with people online. 3p is still cute, I play it right?