How to choose the playing order ?

[FrankJones]

Perhaps. I'll clarify:

In a 2-player game in which players alternate taking turns, "player order" means "who goes first". "Changing the first player" is essentially synonymous with "changing the player order.", because there is no "player order" in a 2-player game (other than deciding who goes first).


In a 3-player game, that is not the case. ABCABC etc and BCABCABCA has a different player going first, but the sequence in which the three players take their turns remains the same. B Follows A. C Follows B. We could also have ACBACB etc. The same player is going first, but the sequence has changed.

In a 2-player game it makes no sense to say, "the first player changed but otherwise the turn order remained the same."

[BarnardsStar]

Actually, it doesn't seem possible to create a private tournament...
En fait il ne semble pas possible de créer un tournoi privé...

I think maybe for a while after they launched the new tournament page it was not, but it sure seems possible now. Visit the main tournament page, go to the bottom, enter the game you want in the field and click “Create Tournament”, then pick the tournament format (for this test I chose “Elimination”), and then the very first drop-down under “Registration Settings” is to choose public or private. You can then choose a group or invite-only. Now, I haven’t gone so far as to finish the process, but from this it sure seems possible.

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Je pense que cela n'était peut-être pas possible pendant un certain temps après le lancement de la nouvelle page des tournois, mais cela semble bel et bien possible aujourd'hui. Rendez-vous sur la page principale des tournois, descendez tout en bas, saisissez le jeu de votre choix dans le champ prévu à cet effet et cliquez sur « Créer un tournoi », puis sélectionnez le format du tournoi (pour ce test, j'ai choisi « Élimination »), et enfin, le tout premier menu déroulant sous « Paramètres d'inscription » vous permet de choisir entre un tournoi public ou privé. Vous pouvez ensuite choisir entre un groupe ou un tournoi sur invitation uniquement. Je n'ai pas encore poussé le processus jusqu'au bout, mais d'après ce que j'ai vu, cela semble tout à fait possible.

[BarnardsStar]

If you want to play the same game several times with different player order, maybe you can try to create a private 3-player tournament. That should allow for more structured seat rotation, though it is more complex to set up for a single session. But I have no experience with tournament creation, it is just an idea you may try.

Maybe that's a good idea I'll give it a try

However I don’t think a tournament is the right solution here. There’s really only three kinds of tournaments you can hold: Elimination, which means not all of you would play subsequent games, and Swiss and Round Robin both only support two players at a time. (There’s also Groups Stage, but that starts the tournament with multiple groups, each of which runs through one of the three above stages, and the the winner(s) of each group go into a secondary tournament that is also one of the three above options).

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Je ne pense toutefois pas qu'un tournoi soit la bonne solution dans ce cas. Il n'y a en réalité que trois types de tournois possibles : le tournoi à élimination directe, ce qui signifie que vous ne jouerez pas tous les matchs suivants, et les systèmes suisse et de toutes rondes, qui ne permettent de jouer qu'à deux joueurs à la fois. (Il existe également la phase de groupes, mais celle-ci commence par plusieurs groupes, chacun passant par l'une des trois phases susmentionnées, et le ou les vainqueurs de chaque groupe participent ensuite à un tournoi secondaire qui correspond également à l'une des trois options ci-dessus).

[ErikLevin]

You can't choose the playing order, in most games. I've seen a few that has it implemented as a game-specific option.

The playing order can either be random (default), or kept the same as in the previous game with the same players, in the case where BGA "detects a rematch". When you select to Propose Rematch, the play order is always the same, and the first player rotates. See: https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewto ... 96#p235496

I think, unfortunately, that BGA also "detects" when the players (and game?) are the same and then also enforces the "rematch mechanism" even when you don't use the Propose Rematch option. I'm not sure if this is always the case, or sometimes, or what.

This "feature" can be disabled on a game to game basis by the game's developer. You can add a suggestion to the https://boardgamearena.com/bugs for the specific game, asking to disable this feature. You might look at https://boardgamearena.com/bug?id=115496, description and its comment, for an example of what to ask for.

If the developer doesn't agree, or the game doesn't have an active developer, some possible workarounds might be:
- Try to create a new table without using Propose Rematch. As said above, maybe this never works, maybe it sometimes works. I don't know. If you look at the log it says "rematch detected" if it has kept the player order without randomizing it.
- Try to have another player create the next table and so on. I don't know if this makes any difference.
- Set up a tournament, as was suggested above.

However I don’t think a tournament is the right solution here. There’s really only three kinds of tournaments you can hold: Elimination, which means not all of you would play subsequent games, and Swiss and Round Robin both only support two players at a time.

I'm a bit tired so apologies if I'm not reading this correctly, but Swiss works perfectly fine with games of any player count.

[FrankJones]

I think, unfortunately, that BGA also "detects" when the players (and game?) are the same and then also enforces the "rematch mechanism" even when you don't use the Propose Rematch option. I'm not sure if this is always the case, or sometimes, or what.

Definitely not. I play some games in which I get matched against the same players a lot, and it does not rotate first player unless we specifically used the "invite to rematch" feature.

I do wish this existed, because I've had some games against the same player in which I kept going second when it's a massive and nearly insurmountable advantage to go first.

[BarnardsStar]

However I don’t think a tournament is the right solution here. There’s really only three kinds of tournaments you can hold: Elimination, which means not all of you would play subsequent games, and Swiss and Round Robin both only support two players at a time.

I'm a bit tired so apologies if I'm not reading this correctly, but Swiss works perfectly fine with games of any player count.

You were reading it correctly, and my apologies! I thought Swiss only did 2p.