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Janabis
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Re: No Time Limit games restricted to friends only? Terrible for gaming groups

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Een wrote: 16 June 2022, 08:38No time limit games (ranked) should really be played only with friends.
OK ... and why is it not automatically ?
I think, if it's the only possibility to play like this, why when I create a game with "no time limit" the restriction "only with friends" is not automatically actived ?
& why is not possible with the private groups ?
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Re: No Time Limit games restricted to friends only? Terrible for gaming groups

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Janabis wrote: 30 June 2022, 17:14
Een wrote: 16 June 2022, 08:38No time limit games (ranked) should really be played only with friends.
OK ... and why is it not automatically ?
I think, if it's the only possibility to play like this, why when I create a game with "no time limit" the restriction "only with friends" is not automatically actived ?
& why is not possible with the private groups ?
Read it again. Een said it's something you should do, not something you must do.
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No Time Limit games restricted to friends only? Terrible for gaming groups

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???

I think you don't understand.
Ok, he said no limit time should be played only with friends and not with public groups, ok.

BUT

If I want to play with "no time limit", "I must do" activate the restriction "only with friends" ... not "I could do".
If it's an obligation why it's not automatical ?

& for the private groups (different of public groups) it's always friendly groups (I think ... for me it's like this).
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Re: No Time Limit games restricted to friends only? Terrible for gaming groups

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These questions are not off topic; the update has indeed made no time limit ranked games playable only with friends.
No time limit unranked games (= training mode) are still available with everyone.
OK ... and why is it not automatically ?
I think, if it's the only possibility to play like this, why when I create a game with "no time limit" the restriction "only with friends" is not automatically actived ?
Answer is (as often) time scarcity. Priority was to stop the abuse without spending excessive resources.
Very often we tend to reason like time and resources are unconstrained, but in practice they are.
You can put in a suggestion to quantify interest from the community.
& why is not possible with the private groups ?
That would probably not be too open to abuse, but the rule would be less clear cut (and thus prone to confusion). Also I still haven't seen a clear explanation about why this setting would be preferable to using either training mode or the slowest time setting for turn based. Furthermore, if they are friends in those private groups, they just won't kick you out of the game even if you go over time, so where is the real issue?
Anyway, you can also put in a suggestion about that to gauge interest from the community.
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Re: No Time Limit games restricted to friends only? Terrible for gaming groups

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Een wrote: 01 July 2022, 14:27Also I still haven't seen a clear explanation about why this setting would be preferable to using either training mode or the slowest time setting for turn based.
I play most of my games with the same two people. Based on that, I prefer to play without a time limit instead of playing in training mode because I like to compete a bit. The first games we play in training mode but it is always entertaining (and informative) to see how the rating of each one goes. And compare some games with others.

Between us we are not going to be expelled at any time, nor are we ever in a hurry. But sometimes someone stops entering for a few days and ends up with penalties for delays. It is not the end of the world, but why have them if there is a way that allows me to avoid them?

The biggest annoyance that I see is that between us, rematches have always been created by the one who plays the last move. If I create a game without a time limit, and restricted to my friends, when one of them tries to create the rematch the time mode will change. Or to go fast we will leave the game to open it at another time or to open it another, and in the end we will not open it. It's not the end of the world either, but before creating a rematch was just giving a button and now it's slower...
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Re: No Time Limit games restricted to friends only? Terrible for gaming groups

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Thank you vichy for taking the time to provide detailed feedback.
vichy wrote: 01 July 2022, 18:15 I play most of my games with the same two people. Based on that, I prefer to play without a time limit instead of playing in training mode because I like to compete a bit. The first games we play in training mode but it is always entertaining (and informative) to see how the rating of each one goes. And compare some games with others.

Between us we are not going to be expelled at any time, nor are we ever in a hurry. But sometimes someone stops entering for a few days and ends up with penalties for delays. It is not the end of the world, but why have them if there is a way that allows me to avoid them?
Ok, what you describe matches well the "Only with friends" use case intended for this option.
vichy wrote: 01 July 2022, 18:15 The biggest annoyance that I see is that between us, rematches have always been created by the one who plays the last move. If I create a game without a time limit, and restricted to my friends, when one of them tries to create the rematch the time mode will change. Or to go fast we will leave the game to open it at another time or to open it another, and in the end we will not open it. It's not the end of the world either, but before creating a rematch was just giving a button and now it's slower...
That remark was made early after the update and it was fixed quickly. I just checked again to be sure, and if a table has been started with "restricted to X's friends / no time limit" any of the players who took part in the game can create a rematch while keeping the same settings "restricted to X's friends / no time limit" as expected. So there should not be any annoyance like the one you describe and it should be as quick as before.

Except if I misunderstood something, it seems that your use case is perfectly covered by the current state of this option.
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Re: No Time Limit games restricted to friends only? Terrible for gaming groups

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Een wrote: 01 July 2022, 14:27These questions are not off topic; the update has indeed made no time limit ranked games playable only with friends.
No time limit unranked games (= training mode) are still available with everyone.
OK ... and why is it not automatically ?
I think, if it's the only possibility to play like this, why when I create a game with "no time limit" the restriction "only with friends" is not automatically actived ?
Answer is (as often) time scarcity. Priority was to stop the abuse without spending excessive resources.
Very often we tend to reason like time and resources are unconstrained, but in practice they are.
You can put in a suggestion to quantify interest from the community.
& why is not possible with the private groups ?
That would probably not be too open to abuse, but the rule would be less clear cut (and thus prone to confusion). Also I still haven't seen a clear explanation about why this setting would be preferable to using either training mode or the slowest time setting for turn based. Furthermore, if they are friends in those private groups, they just won't kick you out of the game even if you go over time, so where is the real issue?
Anyway, you can also put in a suggestion about that to gauge interest from the community.
Thank you very much ;)
If I understand, you think like me but you have not time to do it. It's unfortunate.

Using the training mode it's not for me.
For example, when we play (with my friends) a championship on Rallyman GT, we used a manual start according to the elo ... impossible with this mode.
& the slowest time is not slow enough ^^ (we can play one year on Carcassonne :P ).

So, thank you for your answer ;)
But ... where I can make some suggestions ? ... :oops:
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Re: No Time Limit games restricted to friends only? Terrible for gaming groups

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Een wrote: 04 July 2022, 17:35Except if I misunderstood something, it seems that your use case is perfectly covered by the current state of this option.
Thank you Een. I'll review it. I had simply stopped using this option...
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Re: No Time Limit games restricted to friends only? Terrible for gaming groups

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Janabis wrote: 04 July 2022, 18:10 & the slowest time is not slow enough ^^ (we can play one year on Carcassonne :P ).
Wow! That's slow indeed :)
Janabis wrote: 04 July 2022, 18:10 But ... where I can make some suggestions ? ... :oops:
Suggestions can be created from https://boardgamearena.com/bugs
When creating a report, you can select "About the website in general" and "Suggestion".
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Re: No Time Limit games restricted to friends only? Terrible for gaming groups

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Een wrote: 05 July 2022, 15:18
Janabis wrote: 04 July 2022, 18:10 But ... where I can make some suggestions ? ... :oops:
Suggestions can be created from https://boardgamearena.com/bugs
When creating a report, you can select "About the website in general" and "Suggestion".
Cool ! Thank you very much ;)
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