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Re: Alternatives on Playing with Friends without suspected of Cheating
Posted: 19 February 2023, 22:46
by 6element
Not necessarily cheating, but consistently playing against a very limited group of opponents provides no indication of strength against random opponents. When/if such a "private Elo" reaches abnormally high values (i.e. a person is in top 20), it might cause tension among actually strong players, and at that point it is typically reset by admins. While not ideal, this seems to be better than many alternatives. Probably there is a way to automatically cap "private Elo" at, say, 299, but I don't see how to easily implement it and communicate the reason for the cap to folks affected by it.
The main point is - "private Elo" isn't comparable with "public Elo", thus when it is very high, it isn't actually earned, and when it is reset, there is nothing to be upset about.
Re: Alternatives on Playing with Friends without suspected of Cheating
Posted: 20 February 2023, 03:13
by GeraldineMerida
6element wrote: ↑19 February 2023, 22:46
The main point is - "private Elo" isn't comparable with "public Elo", thus when it is very high, it isn't actually earned, and when it is reset, there is nothing to be upset about.
Did you read my post? My 'private' ELO is every bit as earned as my 'public' ELO, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
And if my well-deserved ELO were capped or reset, I would certainly be upset about it.
Re: Alternatives on Playing with Friends without suspected of Cheating
Posted: 20 February 2023, 03:16
by GeraldineMerida
I also wonder whether there have been instances of those who regularly compete against friends who are very strong players having their ELO reset by BGA to a higher level, to make things 'fairer'.
I suspect not.
Re: Alternatives on Playing with Friends without suspected of Cheating
Posted: 20 February 2023, 05:18
by 6element
GeraldineMerida wrote: ↑20 February 2023, 03:13
6element wrote: ↑19 February 2023, 22:46
The main point is - "private Elo" isn't comparable with "public Elo", thus when it is very high, it isn't actually earned, and when it is reset, there is nothing to be upset about.
Did you read my post? My 'private' ELO is every bit as earned as my 'public' ELO, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
And if my well-deserved ELO were capped or reset, I would certainly be upset about it.
I don't know Noir and cannot quickly assess your style based on the stats. Maybe your rating is well deserved, it is hard to tell, the sampling size isn't huge.
In case of 7 Wonders I can assure you that all cases of Elo reset I remember (about 6 in 5 years, so it is quite rare) were
well deserved, no exceptions.