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Re: Puzzle

Posted: 26 June 2025, 07:45
by xspuipuke
Oh I missed lake in his hand, I will revise my posting.

Re: Puzzle

Posted: 26 June 2025, 08:32
by happy-smile
xspuipuke wrote: 26 June 2025, 07:39 You're really trailing by 11 as they will place 1 final green next to a city, so their score will be 85 no matter what.

Ending the game provides 9 TR so you need 3 extra VP as you will definitely lose the tiebreaker.

Playing Big and Ice is a net 0 MC play, eating all your titanium but gaining you enough heat so you can bump twice to off the temp track. You'll be gaining 4 MC and a card from ocean rebates, so we're at 21 MC and 17 cards in hand. 1 ocean missing, which we can use Lake for in the 6 pocket, costing 12 rebated 6, so leaving us with 15 MC and 16 cards. CEO is 1 VP on animals and 3 MC back, leaving us with 18 MC and 15 cards. Sell all but like Farming (for 2 VP), fund Thermalist for +5 VP. Your score should be 92 after that if I didn't mess up.
He doesn't have optimal if I see correctly, only Media Group. And ending the game itself provides 7 TR (4 heat + 3 oceans).

Re: Puzzle

Posted: 26 June 2025, 14:11
by FrankJones
Corvus Mortis wrote: 26 June 2025, 04:54 Here's another one for you:

We trail by 9 VP currently. Our opponent is fairly rich with ICS and at least one Jovian mult coming down next gen. Can we get out with a win before they get the chance to drop these points next generation? If so:

1) What's the line?
2) What's the final score?

All the information needed is in the screenshot, you can click on it and zoom as needed. Our opponent has no other relevant effects and I'm displaying all of ours.

Well, we don't know whether the opponent can score points this generation. Opponent can get to 85 points with post-game greenery next to city, and will win the tiebreaker, so, a score of 86 is needed. 12 points.

That can be done, but if the opponent has any point cards, it won't work.
Maybe there is a sneaky way to score more than 12 points.

Re: Puzzle

Posted: 26 June 2025, 14:14
by FrankJones
happy-smile wrote: 26 June 2025, 07:41
Corvus Mortis wrote: 26 June 2025, 04:54 Here's another one for you:

We trail by 9 VP currently. Our opponent is fairly rich with ICS and at least one Jovian mult coming down next gen. Can we get out with a win before they get the chance to drop these points next generation? If so:

1) What's the line?
2) What's the final score?

All the information needed is in the screenshot, you can click on it and zoom as needed. Our opponent has no other relevant effects and I'm displaying all of ours.
1. CEO on small animals -> 75 VP, 20 M€, 4 tit, 17 cards
2. big asteroid -> 77 VP, 15 M€, 4 tit, 16 cards
3. ice asteroid on top oceans -> 79 VP, 18 M€, 16 cards
4. artificial lake to 6 pocket -> 81 VP, 12 M€, 1 card (1 M€), 15 cards
5. sell 3 cards + lava flows -> 83 VP, 3 M€, 12 cards
(GIA also possible instead of 3 and 5 but 1 less money leftover)
6. cartaker contract + use it -> 84 VP, 3 M€, 11 cards
7. UNMI activation -> 85 VP, 0 M€, 11 cards
8. sell 10 cards + rad-suits -> 86 VP, 7 M€

we are picking 2 new cards from IA and LF, so maybe we get something better to play in step 8. Also instead of 7+8 we can just sell all but Farming, also 2 points all together, but 7+8 is better in case we needed tie breaker (which we don't need here)

opponent is having 85 with greenery, so we won
I came up with this exact line before looking at any replies, but I have to figure there is more to it than this. Opponent has 6 MC and 4 steel and 5 cards, but is not going to be able to score any points?

Or, has opponent already passed? If so, then it's an 86-85 win.

Re: Puzzle

Posted: 26 June 2025, 14:17
by FrankJones
Opponent has passed. It's an 86-85 win.

The key is to not use giant ice.

Re: Puzzle

Posted: 26 June 2025, 14:29
by Corvus Mortis
Replying to a few of the above posts - we don’t have Optimal, only Media Group. Opponent is passed, likely because my last several moves were Indentured -> Earth Cat -> Strip Mine -> Quantum Extractor. Not exactly the line of someone looking to end.

Re: Puzzle

Posted: 26 June 2025, 14:36
by FrankJones
Corvus Mortis wrote: 26 June 2025, 14:29 Replying to a few of the above posts - we don’t have Optimal, only Media Group. Opponent is passed, likely because my last several moves were Indentured -> Earth Cat -> Strip Mine -> Quantum Extractor. Not exactly the line of someone looking to end.
Opponent had no choice except to pass. One dollar short of playing breathing filters!

Re: Puzzle

Posted: 26 June 2025, 18:12
by Andrei3009
I have slightly different 86-85 line:
1) CEO on small animals -> 75 VP, 20 M€, 4 tit, 17 cards
2) big asteroid -> 77 VP, 15 M€, 4 tit, 16 cards
3) ice asteroid on top oceans -> 79 VP, 18 M€, 16 cards
4) artificial lake to 6 pocket -> 81 VP, 12 M€, 1 card (1 M€), 15 cards
5) Sell 15 cards, except NRA -> 81 VP, 27 M€
6)Play NRA , raze heat -> 85 VP, 6MC
7) USE unmi ->86VP, 3MC left

Re: Puzzle

Posted: 26 June 2025, 18:50
by xspuipuke
My bad, I shouldn't do these when tired. I was so sure to see optimal there.

Re: Puzzle

Posted: 26 June 2025, 20:01
by FrankJones
Andrei3009 wrote: 26 June 2025, 18:12 I have slightly different 86-85 line:
1) CEO on small animals -> 75 VP, 20 M€, 4 tit, 17 cards
2) big asteroid -> 77 VP, 15 M€, 4 tit, 16 cards
3) ice asteroid on top oceans -> 79 VP, 18 M€, 16 cards
4) artificial lake to 6 pocket -> 81 VP, 12 M€, 1 card (1 M€), 15 cards
5) Sell 15 cards, except NRA -> 81 VP, 27 M€
6)Play NRA , raze heat -> 85 VP, 6MC
7) USE unmi ->86VP, 3MC left
I think this can be used to play the ice asteroid oceans on the bottom right, setting up artificial lake next to the 3 oceans, and gaining enough plants for a greenery next to the city for 2 more points.