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Re: Rigged rolls!?
Posted: 11 March 2023, 07:40
by Stroom
Rufasu wrote: ↑11 March 2023, 05:41
I think the random number algorithm is flawed.
I do not feel that it favors anyone, but rather that the random values are skewed, resulting in a one-sided game.
Catan itself is flawed. Randomness is fine. Too few dice rolls to be any kind of balanced. And even then, the order of dice rolls benefits those who hit the numbers early.
Stop complaining and find another game lol.
Re: Rigged rolls!?
Posted: 11 March 2023, 08:51
by Jellby
Rufasu wrote: ↑11 March 2023, 05:41
I do not feel that it favors anyone, but rather that the random values are skewed, resulting in a one-sided game.
Right, you feel that. Because that's how random numbers feel. Have you also noticed how it always rains harder when you decide not to take an umbrella?
Do a small experiment. Roll 2 dice 40 times and write down the results. Do this a few times, say 10. Do not add the 10 together, just analyze them separately. See how close the frequencies are to the "expected" ones.
Re: Rigged rolls!?
Posted: 11 March 2023, 10:14
by Rufasu
It may indeed be my imagination, but I feel that the way the eyes of the dice appear is a Linear congruential generators.
Re: Rigged rolls!?
Posted: 11 March 2023, 12:23
by Stroom
Prove it then. Show us how you predict the rolls before they happen.
Re: Rigged rolls!?
Posted: 11 March 2023, 13:12
by Mr_Magic
I think the dice rolls on this site have bene examined time and time again and found to be fine
Re: Rigged rolls!?
Posted: 11 March 2023, 14:08
by Rufasu
I have played Catan about 240 times and I see many patterns where only a few numbers are repeated.
This is a phenomenon that occurs when the seed value of the random number algorithm is calculated by time.
It is difficult to prove.
It is a programmer's intuition.
It is not a problem, but it is more fun to choose a more appropriate algorithm because it increases the number of one-sided games.
Re: Rigged rolls!?
Posted: 11 March 2023, 19:49
by Stroom
This is pure human bias. You see patterns and you think that the pattern has to be true. But if it is not repeatable and predictable, then it is most likely a coincidence. In this case, the whole sequence should then be repeatable, not only subsequences.
You have to prove it, not just whine about it.
Re: Rigged rolls!?
Posted: 11 March 2023, 19:49
by Romain672
Rufasu wrote: ↑11 March 2023, 14:08
The code present on bga was given here if that can help you:
https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewto ... and#p66897 (last post of the page)(on backgammon, which got similar complains)
Re: Rigged rolls!?
Posted: 11 March 2023, 21:08
by Mr_Magic
It's human nature to seek patterns in randomness. You are seeing something that is not there.
Re: Rigged rolls!?
Posted: 12 March 2023, 03:23
by Rufasu
In fact, there is a lot of repetition of the same number pattern during the game...
There are many one-sided games, whether you win or lose.