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FrankJones wrote: ↑12 July 2025, 00:25 AI central stats should be taken with a grain of salt.

Did the person play a few terrible science tags just to play AI central? DO a SP power plant because of flacking an energy card?

Did the person still buy all the marginally playable cards in the draft, resulting in always being too broke to make use of AI central?

Unless someone is claiming it's the 54th best card in the deck, it seems useless to me to point out that it is ranked 54th in some chart.

Kulikk wrote: ↑12 July 2025, 12:31 I won't entertain "discussion" like this.

Kulikk wrote: ↑12 July 2025, 12:31 My point is that AI can be in some situations the best card in the deck, especially in engine v engine situations, however it is far from being consistently strong. It has very high highs and low lows and that's what the data shows you. That's why I wouldn't classify it as one of the strongest cards when there are cards like eco zone which are amazing pretty much regardless of game state.

Ofc it is subjective, but based on some common sense backed up by data it's possible to come to fairly accurate conclusions about card strength imo. I don't see how card x being ranked at y in one category means that's it's rank y in general. It's just a context for further discussion.

Someone makes a point "Card x is the best card in the game", I'm responding with "I don't agree, look how card x ranks in this category" and the answer to that is being ridiculed. I won't entertain "discussion" like this.

HappyMeaI wrote: ↑12 July 2025, 22:32

Kulikk wrote: ↑12 July 2025, 12:31 My point is that AI can be in some situations the best card in the deck, especially in engine v engine situations, however it is far from being consistently strong. It has very high highs and low lows and that's what the data shows you. That's why I wouldn't classify it as one of the strongest cards when there are cards like eco zone which are amazing pretty much regardless of game state.

Ofc it is subjective, but based on some common sense backed up by data it's possible to come to fairly accurate conclusions about card strength imo. I don't see how card x being ranked at y in one category means that's it's rank y in general. It's just a context for further discussion.

Someone makes a point "Card x is the best card in the game", I'm responding with "I don't agree, look how card x ranks in this category" and the answer to that is being ridiculed. I won't entertain "discussion" like this.

The mental gymnastics you guys will go through to try and justify yourselves is astounding.

The context is HU. To make it simple, if there’s any one card you can choose to always show up in your starter pack, everything else the same, what card would it be? For me it’s AI Central, and it’s not even close.

HappyMeaI wrote:To make it simple, if there’s any one card you can choose to always show up in your starter pack, everything else the same, what card would it be? For me it’s AI Central, and it’s not even close.

HappyMeaI wrote: ↑12 July 2025, 22:32

Kulikk wrote: ↑12 July 2025, 12:31 My point is that AI can be in some situations the best card in the deck, especially in engine v engine situations, however it is far from being consistently strong. It has very high highs and low lows and that's what the data shows you. That's why I wouldn't classify it as one of the strongest cards when there are cards like eco zone which are amazing pretty much regardless of game state.

Ofc it is subjective, but based on some common sense backed up by data it's possible to come to fairly accurate conclusions about card strength imo. I don't see how card x being ranked at y in one category means that's it's rank y in general. It's just a context for further discussion.

Someone makes a point "Card x is the best card in the game", I'm responding with "I don't agree, look how card x ranks in this category" and the answer to that is being ridiculed. I won't entertain "discussion" like this.

The mental gymnastics you guys will go through to try and justify yourselves is astounding.

The context is HU. To make it simple, if there’s any one card you can choose to always show up in your starter pack, everything else the same, what card would it be? For me it’s AI Central, and it’s not even close.

jaymc1130 wrote: ↑12 July 2025, 22:42

HappyMeaI wrote: ↑12 July 2025, 22:32

Kulikk wrote: ↑12 July 2025, 12:31 My point is that AI can be in some situations the best card in the deck, especially in engine v engine situations, however it is far from being consistently strong. It has very high highs and low lows and that's what the data shows you. That's why I wouldn't classify it as one of the strongest cards when there are cards like eco zone which are amazing pretty much regardless of game state.

Ofc it is subjective, but based on some common sense backed up by data it's possible to come to fairly accurate conclusions about card strength imo. I don't see how card x being ranked at y in one category means that's it's rank y in general. It's just a context for further discussion.

Someone makes a point "Card x is the best card in the game", I'm responding with "I don't agree, look how card x ranks in this category" and the answer to that is being ridiculed. I won't entertain "discussion" like this.

The mental gymnastics you guys will go through to try and justify yourselves is astounding.

The context is HU. To make it simple, if there’s any one card you can choose to always show up in your starter pack, everything else the same, what card would it be? For me it’s AI Central, and it’s not even close.

In 2p? Unquestionably earth cat. At least if I’m being honest with myself about which card leads to the highest expected win rate. On a personal level? I kinda always wanna see arctic algae, but then as a terraforming event wombo combo preference player I would want one of my favorite combo pieces. In a vacuum though I want Earth Cat and Ecozone. AI wouldn’t even crack my top 10, as good a card as it is.

Insulting the best players in the world and performing ridiculous “mental gymnastics” to justify doing so, tbh, is far more astounding.

If you want to improve the only person in your way is you, just FYI. Silly to hold yourself back and stay closed minded when you literally have the best players to ever play the game offering you advice, and they aren’t even getting paid for it…

FrankJones wrote: ↑13 July 2025, 00:35

jaymc1130 wrote: ↑12 July 2025, 22:42

HappyMeaI wrote: ↑12 July 2025, 22:32

The mental gymnastics you guys will go through to try and justify yourselves is astounding.

The context is HU. To make it simple, if there’s any one card you can choose to always show up in your starter pack, everything else the same, what card would it be? For me it’s AI Central, and it’s not even close.

In 2p? Unquestionably earth cat. At least if I’m being honest with myself about which card leads to the highest expected win rate. On a personal level? I kinda always wanna see arctic algae, but then as a terraforming event wombo combo preference player I would want one of my favorite combo pieces. In a vacuum though I want Earth Cat and Ecozone. AI wouldn’t even crack my top 10, as good a card as it is.

Insulting the best players in the world and performing ridiculous “mental gymnastics” to justify doing so, tbh, is far more astounding.

If you want to improve the only person in your way is you, just FYI. Silly to hold yourself back and stay closed minded when you literally have the best players to ever play the game offering you advice, and they aren’t even getting paid for it…

Nah, you're nuts

I'll take EC, sure. But Ecozone ????

For my second pick, I'll take .... I'll take AI central, and you get Ecozone

luboldo wrote: ↑13 July 2025, 00:09

HappyMeaI wrote: ↑12 July 2025, 22:32

Kulikk wrote: ↑12 July 2025, 12:31 My point is that AI can be in some situations the best card in the deck, especially in engine v engine situations, however it is far from being consistently strong. It has very high highs and low lows and that's what the data shows you. That's why I wouldn't classify it as one of the strongest cards when there are cards like eco zone which are amazing pretty much regardless of game state.

Ofc it is subjective, but based on some common sense backed up by data it's possible to come to fairly accurate conclusions about card strength imo. I don't see how card x being ranked at y in one category means that's it's rank y in general. It's just a context for further discussion.

Someone makes a point "Card x is the best card in the game", I'm responding with "I don't agree, look how card x ranks in this category" and the answer to that is being ridiculed. I won't entertain "discussion" like this.

The mental gymnastics you guys will go through to try and justify yourselves is astounding.

The context is HU. To make it simple, if there’s any one card you can choose to always show up in your starter pack, everything else the same, what card would it be? For me it’s AI Central, and it’s not even close.

you are a 500 elo 60% wr player confidently trying to explain the game to someone 300 elo above you and he is the one who's doing mental gymnastics?