Abuse of the "leaving for free" system

[RandomUN]

On the conditions that the other player agreed to and violated.

That's your interpretation of the time settings, though.

Sure, me choosing a time setting generally means I expect a game to be played at a certain speed. But I don't think that makes me immune from criticism if I choose to leave the game, either.

I see it as a feature that helps people find suitable games. Not as a contract that can be broken if one side doesn't respect it. Or, if it is a contract, leaving the game is not something I would consider an acceptable answer to the contract being broken.

It's like in real life, when people break the contracts they have with you, that can mean certain things, but it doesn't mean you are allowed to do anything you want to them either.

I am 100%, absolutely saying that I am not interested in playing with a player that does not respect me, my time, or the rules we agreed to play by.

Pretty much, and for me the people who have certain conditions in mind when playing games (like for you, the game has to keep being enjoyable) are not people I feel "safe" playing with, as I have no guarantee the game can't end any moment.

In real life, we usually get to choose who we want to play with, but on this site, it can create problems when we get matched with people whose values are different from ours, especially in tournament games where the stakes by definition are more important than in other games, making it all the more hurtful if an opponent decides to terminate a game in that context.

Okay, I have been trying to have a conversation with you in good faith. I now fully see why people have said repeatedly to block you and move on. I will be taking that advice.

[tbhp]

Okay, I have been trying to have a conversation with you in good faith.

I didn't mean to imply you were arguing in bad faith (except for the "they are the one who lost interest" part).

I just don't think we are seeing eye to eye on this whole issue, which is okay.

[Silene]

Okay, I have been trying to have a conversation with you in good faith. I now fully see why people have said repeatedly to block you and move on. I will be taking that advice.

thanks for trying though. it was a relief when you took over

[Archisian]

Wild how there are some putting the blame on the opponent for being fed up and expelling the OP for going way over time twice. Looking at the log, it looks like the opponent wanted to give the OP a chance and made their first over time a mulligan.

Magicnerd: -20h27
Magicnerd gains 2 compass
Move 170 :12:23:00 AM
Magicnerd ends his turn
Magicnerd: -20h27
Move 171 :12:27:16 AM
RenatoMcd uses an assistant
RenatoMcd gains 1 tablet
RenatoMcd gains 1 coin
Move 172 :12:27:17 AM
RenatoMcd uses an assistant
RenatoMcd gains 3 coin
Move 173 :12:27:55 AM
RenatoMcd discards Funding for travel symbols
RenatoMcd buys a plane symbol for 2 coins
RenatoMcd pays 2 coin
RenatoMcd moves his archaeologist to a site
RenatoMcd: 23h55
RenatoMcd gains 1 coin
RenatoMcd gains 1 compass
RenatoMcd gains 1 tablet
RenatoMcd gains 1 arrowhead
Move 174 :12:27:59 AM
RenatoMcd ends his turn
RenatoMcd: 23h55
Move 175 :12:31:52 AM
Magicnerd pays 1 idol slot
Magicnerd pays 1 idol
Magicnerd gains 2 tablet
Move 176 :12:31:58 AM
Magicnerd pays 1 coin
Magicnerd pays 1 tablet
Magicnerd pays 1 arrowhead
Magicnerd researches with his glass
Magicnerd gains a fear
Magicnerd: -14h31
Move 177 :12:32:16 AM
Magicnerd gains 1 tablet
Magicnerd: -14h31
Move 178 :12:32:21 AM
Magicnerd ends his turn
Magicnerd: -14h31
Move 179 :12:47:55 AM
RenatoMcd pays 1 compass
RenatoMcd pays 3 tablet
RenatoMcd researches with his glass
RenatoMcd gains a fear
RenatoMcd: 23h44
RenatoMcd gains 1 tablet
Move 180 :12:47:58 AM
RenatoMcd ends his turn
RenatoMcd: 23h44
Magicnerd: -8h45
Move 181 :1:01:58 AM
Magicnerd pays 1 compass
Magicnerd pays 1 arrowhead
Magicnerd pays 1 jewel
Magicnerd researches with his glass
Move 182 :1:02:11 AM
Magicnerd gains 1 coin
Magicnerd: -8h45
Move 183 :1:02:14 AM
Magicnerd ends his turn
Magicnerd: -8h45
Move 184 :1:29:06 AM
RenatoMcd pays 1 coin
RenatoMcd pays 1 tablet
RenatoMcd pays 1 arrowhead
RenatoMcd researches with his glass
RenatoMcd gains a fear
RenatoMcd: 23h33
RenatoMcd gains 1 compass
Move 185 :1:29:09 AM
RenatoMcd ends his turn
RenatoMcd: 23h33
Move 186 :1:55:23 AM
Magicnerd plays Revolver
Magicnerd pays 1 compass
Magicnerd overcame the guardian
Magicnerd: -3h12
Move 187 :1:55:31 AM
Magicnerd uses his guardian boon
Magicnerd exiles Fear
Move 188 :1:55:34 AM
Magicnerd ends his turn
Magicnerd: -3h12
Move 189 :3:28:29 AM
RenatoMcd plays Dog
RenatoMcd gains 1 compass
RenatoMcd: 22h27
RenatoMcd gains 1 arrowhead
Move 190 :3:28:31 AM
RenatoMcd ends his turn
RenatoMcd: 22h27
Move 191 :6:49:07 AM
Magicnerd plays Funding
Magicnerd gains 1 coin
Move 192 :6:49:13 AM
Magicnerd uses his guardian boon
Magicnerd pays 1 tablet
Magicnerd gains 1 arrowhead
Move 193 :6:49:28 AM
Magicnerd pays 1 coin
Magicnerd pays 1 arrowhead
Magicnerd gets a bronze temple tile

When OP did it again, the opponent expelled them, and thus the game was over.

Magicnerd: -33:13
Move 194 :6:49:34 AM
Magicnerd ends his turn
Magicnerd: -33:19
Move 195 :8:56:23 AM
RenatoMcd plays Bow and Arrows
RenatoMcd gains 2 compass
RenatoMcd: 21h53
Move 196 :8:56:24 AM
RenatoMcd ends his turn
RenatoMcd: 21h53
Move 197 :2:16:07 PM
Magicnerd pays 1 coin
Magicnerd puts Hat to the bottom of their deck
Magicnerd: 6:58
Move 198 :2:16:15 PM
Magicnerd ends his turn
Magicnerd: 6:50
New item Binoculars is revealed
Move 199 :4:38:46 PM
RenatoMcd pays 1 idol
RenatoMcd researches with his book
RenatoMcd: 21h37
Move 200 :4:38:49 PM
RenatoMcd gets the artifact for free
RenatoMcd plays Star Charts
RenatoMcd: 21h37
RenatoMcd: 21h36
Move 201 :4:39:29 PM
RenatoMcd pays 1 coin
RenatoMcd gains 1 arrowhead
RenatoMcd gains 1 jewel
Move 202 :4:39:35 PM
RenatoMcd discards Exploration
RenatoMcd: 21h36
Move 203 :4:39:36 PM
RenatoMcd ends his turn
RenatoMcd: 21h36
New artifact Sundial is revealed
Move 204 :9/23/2026 6:33:39 AM
Magicnerd is out of time, so RenatoMcd skips his/her turn
Move 205 :6:33:40 AM
Magicnerd has quit the game and is going to lose this game whatever happens.
Move 206 :6:33:40 AM
Magicnerd passes
Magicnerd: -7h47
Move 207 :6:33:45 AM
All players (with a positive clock) chose to abandon this game.
RenatoMcd: 21h36
End of game

Does it really matter on what turn it occurred? OP knew that the game was almost about to end and could have made arrangements to finish it out, seeing that this was an asynchronous game. OP failed to do that. So, the loss and karma penalties are on them. Saying that this was the opponent's fault is something I cannot understand. OP was 2 days over time. Why did he not detail anything to his opponent? Even then, why was his opponent obligated to stay? Makes no sense.

[nik592]

Wild how there are some putting the blame on the opponent for being fed up and expelling the OP for going way over time twice. Looking at the log, it looks like the opponent wanted to give the OP a chance and made their first over time a mulligan.

This has been the scenario suggested by multiple commenters from Page 1. From a quick skim, it looks like everyone in this thread (apart from one exception that can honestly be ignored) has been arguing that the opponent was perfectly reasonable to kick the OP for not finishing their game properly and then wandering off for 14 hours without checking.

[tbhp]

Looking at the log, it looks like the opponent wanted to give the OP a chance and made their first over time a mulligan.

It seems more like to me they wanted to see if they could win the game, then upon realizing they had lost, they decided to grab the win. It seems absurd to assume someone who expels on the last turn had their opponent's interests in mind.

Does it really matter on what turn it occurred?

Well, yeah, because if it had happened in the middle of the game, while the outcome was still uncertain, the above motivation wouldn't have been as clear cut. It would have been a Schrodinger's Cat situation where maybe they got fed up, maybe they decided to grab a win.

When it happens on the last turn however, it's either they wanted to grab the win, or it's a big coincidence that they got fed up exactly at that point, so the former explanation becomes the much more likely one.

OP knew that the game was almost about to end and could have made arrangements to finish it out, seeing that this was an asynchronous game.

Given the way in which things happened, what makes you think the opponent would have agreed to finish the game?

[Jellby]

It seems more like to me they wanted to see if they could win the game, then upon realizing they had lost, they decided to grab the win.

So what? They were handed the win on silver platter, should they have declined it?

Or perhaps they just enjoyed playing the game, even if losing. Once the game reached the final turn, they had already gotten all the enjoyment there was to be had, and decided that their opponent deserved a penalty (I'm talking about karma, not elo) for running out of time.

In any case, whatever the reson, once again: There's nothing wrong in expelling a player out of time. Not ever. Not in tournaments. Not in 7-player games. Not in the last turn. Not before the first turn. Not in slow turn-based games. Not after playing fast for 5 days. Not during a Sunday. Not after they say they "need more time". Not if they're new to the game. Not if the game is buggy...

[tbhp]

So what? They were handed the win on silver platter, should they have declined it?

Since they were losing, yes they should have.

Or perhaps they just enjoyed playing the game, even if losing. Once the game reached the final turn, they had already gotten all the enjoyment there was to be had, and decided that their opponent deserved a penalty (I'm talking about karma, not elo) for running out of time.

Oh, that's rich. So they were using OP as a prop to enjoy a game, while knowing they would never actually let them win if they went out of time again. What a nice way to treat an opponent.

[Jellby]

To those who've blocked him: You don't know what you're missing!

[RandomUN]

To those who've blocked him: You don't know what you're missing!

It's really quite peaceful.

There's no point arguing with this person any more. I presented a scenario in which every public establishment in which games are played in real life would expel a player, and was told I am not "safe" to play with. This person is not worth engaging with at any level anymore. Either they truly believe what they are saying or they are trolling, and either scenario makes this person unreasonable to engage with in discussion as they will refuse to concede there is any scenario in which a player can ever be expelled. They are a completed game absolutionist and they are the only person arguing against expelling this player in this situation.

Do what I did, add them to your foes list, and stop seeing their posts. It's really rather nice.