🌿ELO System Updates

[6element]

Did they just close the bug?

[GTSchemer]

Other bugs load for me, but that page is cut off. Weird...maybe a bug?

*edit* The bug definitely still shows as open in the overall bug list. It just seems to be the only one that doesn't load correctly.

[6element]

Tweaked view counter for this topic and now that.

Let's call it "actively ignoring customers"

[nik592]

Did they just close the bug?

It was changed to a suggestion with the comment that the behaviour is intended - which I think means they read it as "we don't like the new ELO calculations" as opposed to "the formula on screen does not reflect the actual ELO calculation being performed". I don't know why that also meant all the info and comments disappeared, but it does indicate BGA admin are paying attention, just choosing not to respond. Which seems to be standard for decisions that people don't like (regardless of how many people care) - they ignore until the dissenters go away.

That said, they haven't posted a final response saying they're not going to change anything further in spite of the complaints, the last communication was they were still seeking feedback and making adjustments. And yet, no response for months.

[h_illes]

They made some further changes. It is still classified as a 'suggestion', but now you can read the description and vote on it again. I encourage you to do so.

https://boardgamearena.com/bug?id=127835

[h_illes]

We appreciate you taking the time to share your feedback regarding the ELO system. We value your input and are committed to ensuring a fair and balanced ranking system for all players.

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We're always listening to your feedback and working to make Board Game Arena the best place to play. Keep those messages coming!

This was your last comment, followed by MONTHS of no communication. I understand now this is deliberate, it just paints a very sad overall picture of incompetence (implementing a flawed ELO calculation) and ignorance (lack of communication for many months). Everyone deserves better, both the players (and not just the ones who raised their voice in this topic), and also yourself, who have now become associated with incompetent decisions and unkept promises. I hope one day BGA chooses to introduce a corporate culture of good decision-making, responsive action, good communication and transparency - in line with what your own words paint above, and in sharp contrast with what actually happened so far.

[miklomike]

I still care about this, as do many of us. A bad decision doesn't become better with age.

[miklomike]

Why is this in the FAQ, if this is supposed to be scrapped.

"When your rank is "Strong" or higher, and you don't play for an extended period, your ELO score will decrease over time.

It also says that if you play against the same opponent the ELO you gain will gradually reduce. Going to 100% loss of ELO gain in six games is not "gradual"...

[Silene]

I still care about this, as do many of us. A bad decision doesn't become better with age.

I think most of the originally active participants in this discussion have already left the stage of Anger and are in Bargaining ("please at least do K-Factor adaption in both direction, not just when same player wins") or Depression ("I don't care about BGA anymore"). I myself am very close to Acceptance ("BGA just isn't what it could be, but hey - I can still play games here, let's focus on that"). (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_stages_of_grief )

But yeah, decision didn't become better. But I'm somewhat over it and accept even without a good elo-system, BGA is still a great place for playing. A tiny part in me hopes someone is working on implementing something like Glicko and just doesn't dare to announce anything before it's ready and that they just don't want to put the effort or undoing the changes (it's not easy to undo something as some might suggest) because something better is about to come come anyway. But well - that probably won't ever happen, I know ^^

[The Nuzzer]

I still care about this, as do many of us. A bad decision doesn't become better with age.

I myself am very close to Acceptance ("BGA just isn't what it could be, but hey - I can still play games here, let's focus on that"). (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_stages_of_grief )

I entered "acceptance" a while ago.