Kicking people out who are over time

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Re: Kicking people out who are over time

Post by N_Faker » 14 May 2019, 12:38

Lotus Blossom wrote:
14 May 2019, 12:30
How about when someone decides not to kick their opponent, time is added to put them back in the positive, so if they do subsequently slow down then they can be kicked again?
So players in the negative should get an increased time increase every turn? Would not that be unfair to the players that play within the allotted time?

What if this additional time causes the player that went negative to play better, which causes any other player to go into the negatives, and is kicked. Would this be unfair?

Apologies if this seems confrontational.

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Re: Kicking people out who are over time

Post by Detonator » 14 May 2019, 14:08

Thank you for all the replies. It’s interesting to see what people think. What I think is, if someone has been playing for a few weeks, making at least one or two turns every single day (say if it’s one move a day) then on the next Friday they disappear until Monday (maybe got ill had a weekend break, whatever) they shouldn’t be kicked out because of their previous punctuality.

However if someone makes a move Monday then not again till Thursday pops back in Sunday and Monday then goes awol for a few days then yeah they are unreliable and I agree kick them out.

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Re: Kicking people out who are over time

Post by Caffe Latte » 14 May 2019, 14:23

Sometimes when I am am close to winning next with timeouting one, eg, 6 nimmt, I wish could donor him/her part of my time left just to let game end normally. I play and helpless watch like a hawk understanding soon one of losing parties will kick the red one winning and also my effort will be gone.

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Re: Kicking people out who are over time

Post by Lotus Blossom » 16 May 2019, 01:28

N_Faker wrote:
14 May 2019, 12:38
Lotus Blossom wrote:
14 May 2019, 12:30
How about when someone decides not to kick their opponent, time is added to put them back in the positive, so if they do subsequently slow down then they can be kicked again?
So players in the negative should get an increased time increase every turn? Would not that be unfair to the players that play within the allotted time?

What if this additional time causes the player that went negative to play better, which causes any other player to go into the negatives, and is kicked. Would this be unfair?

Apologies if this seems confrontational.
If every turn, the non negative time player chooses not to kick his opponent, then sure, add a bit of time. Why keep a player in the negative if you've chosen not to do anything about it? To be clear, this is only when all other participants have decided not to kick.

I'm not so sure about your second point! Does seem unfair. But can't think of a solution.

I'm not really advocating anything, just thought I'd throw a few suggestions in :)

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Re: Kicking people out who are over time

Post by CB Droege » 16 May 2019, 11:31

In turn-based games, I don't think more turn-time actually equates to more thinking-time. When you measure turns in days instead of seconds, the advantage for taking longer turns is sort of moot. I like the suggestion to put red players back in the black if they don't get kicked.

Force the other players at the table to vote, either kick, or fill their time-bar. It wouldn't stop some people from making the decision based on your position in the game, but at least it would eliminate people WAITING to see if you are likely to win before deciding, which is clearly unfair.

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Re: Kicking people out who are over time

Post by Faray » 16 May 2019, 18:52

Are you assuming that every person who kicks someone is because they are losing? That's a risky statement to make.

I don't kick people after one second, but if it's been 24 hours and there hasn't been anything then sorry I'm kicking and moving on. Don't get mad at the kickers get mad at the people who disappear. Sure sometimes stuff happens and I understand that, but that doesn't mean the rest of us should be obligated to stick around.

You should be getting mad at someone who doesn't honor their commitment to the game, not the person who is following the rules by kicking them.

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Re: Kicking people out who are over time

Post by CB Droege » 17 May 2019, 00:14

Faray wrote:
16 May 2019, 18:52
Are you assuming that every person who kicks someone is because they are losing?
no, I didn't say that.

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Re: Kicking people out who are over time

Post by Espina » 18 May 2019, 00:26

Faray wrote:
16 May 2019, 18:52
Are you assuming that every person who kicks someone is because they are losing? That's a risky statement to make.

I don't kick people after one second, but if it's been 24 hours and there hasn't been anything then sorry I'm kicking and moving on. Don't get mad at the kickers get mad at the people who disappear. Sure sometimes stuff happens and I understand that, but that doesn't mean the rest of us should be obligated to stick around.

You should be getting mad at someone who doesn't honor their commitment to the game, not the person who is following the rules by kicking them.
I believe the original poster was talking specifically about unsporting people who exercise their right to expel you only when they are losing.

Let me give you an example: Some time ago, I accidentally joined a game which was 12 moves per day (instead of 1 move per day which is what I usually play). I probably should have asked my opponent to abandon right away, because as soon as I realized my mistake I knew I would run out of time sooner or later. But I didn't. That was my mistake. I fully admit that. However, here is what happened later. I ran out of time within the first 20 or so moves, when the game was at something like 15% progression. But my opponent did not kick me out. Because of the way the time increments are set up, even though a little time gets added each time it is your turn, I could not catch up, because 12moves/day and 1move/day are vastly different. So we played the game for lots of moves, from 15% progression to 95% progression, and my clock was red the whole time. But he never kicked me out, and I even thanked him for it. (We weren't talking much because of different languages). THEN, on the very last move, when I was in a clearly winning position, he kicked me from the game. I can only suppose it is because you get a bigger ELO boost for "winning" a game at 99% progression than at 15%. But from my perspective, it would have been much better if he had kicked me from the game when I *first* ran out of time. Was he within his rights to kick me out? Certainly. Will I ever play him again? Certainly not! Would you?

In summary: there are a fair number of extremely unsportsmanlike people on here. The only thing you can do is decide not to play with them and move on.

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Re: Kicking people out who are over time

Post by Espina » 18 May 2019, 00:29

Espina wrote:
18 May 2019, 00:26
In summary: there are a fair number of extremely unsportsmanlike people on here. The only thing you can do is decide not to play with them and move on.
I should also add, there are also many wonderful people on here that I have spent many enjoyable hours playing with. Thank you all, you know who you are :)

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Re: Kicking people out who are over time

Post by Caffe Latte » 18 May 2019, 10:56

Very good insight into current system! How about - when full round done and nobody expelled the timer resets to, eg, average of time left others?

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