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Allow conceding in tournament Chess matches

Posted: 17 August 2020, 22:04
by Toratha
I am unfortunately done with Chess tournaments on BGA for now because of continually having to play out the excruciating end of a match. There is no good reason to prevent conceding in the case of Chess as there is no way to score more than 1 point from winning.

Re: Allow conceding in tournament Chess matches

Posted: 18 August 2020, 04:40
by Meeplelowda
Toratha wrote: 17 August 2020, 22:04 I am unfortunately done with Chess tournaments on BGA for now because of continually having to play out the excruciating end of a match. There is no good reason to prevent conceding in the case of Chess as there is no way to score more than 1 point from winning.
It has become apparent to me that they are some people on BGA who do not even understand the concept of resigning (conceding) in chess or other games where, as you say, there is nothing more for the victor to gain by having the opponent play out a lost position. Having played a fair number of chess tournaments over-the-board, this attitude is completely alien to me.

Re: Allow conceding in tournament Chess matches

Posted: 18 August 2020, 10:29
by CB Droege
There is no good reason, IMO to not allow conceding in ANY 2-player game tournament or otherwise. It's annoying to have to platy out the end of a lost Carcassonne or Senet or Backgammon or Kingdomino, just as much as it is in chess.

Re: Allow conceding in tournament Chess matches

Posted: 18 August 2020, 23:38
by RicardoRix

Re: Allow conceding in tournament Chess matches

Posted: 18 August 2020, 23:44
by Meeplelowda
CB Droege wrote: 18 August 2020, 10:29 There is no good reason, IMO to not allow conceding in ANY 2-player game tournament or otherwise. It's annoying to have to platy out the end of a lost Carcassonne or Senet or Backgammon or Kingdomino, just as much as it is in chess.
Check out the thread about this in the "Hive" forum. According to some people this is crazy talk, and I got flamed for saying "no one" would get upset about someone resigning a lost position in chess because I had presumptuously ignored the mindset of someone who apparently likes wasting time.

Re: Allow conceding in tournament Chess matches

Posted: 19 August 2020, 09:02
by Toratha
RicardoRix wrote: 18 August 2020, 23:38 You need something to upvote:

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Re: Allow conceding in tournament Chess matches

Posted: 19 August 2020, 13:44
by CB Droege
Meeplelowda wrote: 18 August 2020, 23:44
CB Droege wrote: 18 August 2020, 10:29 There is no good reason, IMO to not allow conceding in ANY 2-player game tournament or otherwise. It's annoying to have to platy out the end of a lost Carcassonne or Senet or Backgammon or Kingdomino, just as much as it is in chess.
Check out the thread about this in the "Hive" forum. According to some people this is crazy talk, and I got flamed for saying "no one" would get upset amount someone resigning a lost position in chess because I had presumptuously ignored the mindset of someone who apparently likes wasting time.
I get that some people get upset about it, but that doesn't count as a "good reason" in my book. It's unethical to force a player to play out the remains of a two-player game that they feel they've lost. My right not to have my time wasted is stronger than my opponent's right to see the already concluded game play-out.

Re: Allow conceding in tournament Chess matches

Posted: 19 August 2020, 14:17
by Toratha
Meeplelowda wrote: 18 August 2020, 23:44
CB Droege wrote: 18 August 2020, 10:29 There is no good reason, IMO to not allow conceding in ANY 2-player game tournament or otherwise. It's annoying to have to platy out the end of a lost Carcassonne or Senet or Backgammon or Kingdomino, just as much as it is in chess.
Check out the thread about this in the "Hive" forum. According to some people this is crazy talk, and I got flamed for saying "no one" would get upset amount someone resigning a lost position in chess because I had presumptuously ignored the mindset of someone who apparently likes wasting time.
I looked.

We may be dealing with people with some sort of obsessive compulsive condition where you can't cope with not playing the finishing move.

Re: Allow conceding in tournament Chess matches

Posted: 19 August 2020, 23:31
by Meeplelowda
Toratha wrote: 19 August 2020, 14:17 We may be dealing with people with some sort of obsessive compulsive condition where you can't cope with not playing the finishing move.
I'm not a psychologist but....

Re: Allow conceding in tournament Chess matches

Posted: 20 August 2020, 00:38
by Giordano Bruno 1974
CB Droege wrote: 18 August 2020, 10:29 There is no good reason, IMO to not allow conceding in ANY 2-player game tournament or otherwise. It's annoying to have to platy out the end of a lost Carcassonne or Senet or Backgammon or Kingdomino, just as much as it is in chess.
I don't know. I like finishing Kingdomino. I would hate someone to give up and leave my game unfinished.

Chess is different. If I am a long way ahead, I don't really want to grind a result out if I can't think of a clever way to end the game.

One key difference is that there is no random element in chess and that can make results a foregone conclusion once a few pieces have been lost.