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What is the policy re: bots playing on BGA?

Posted: 21 October 2020, 15:51
by mickalot
I was playing a game on BGA where one of players behaved suspiciously like a bot. Do the BGA terms of service permit bots to play? If so, can we ask bots to self-identify so that we can choose to avoid them? If not, can we make that something that players can flag (instead of just giving a player a thumbs-down)?

Regardless of whether my particular opponent was a bot, could someone clarify the terms of service on this topic? (If we permit bots, perhaps I would consider writing one, but I would want to do it responsibly so it was a pleasant addition to the player pool and didn't ruin the experience for others.)

I don't want to incorrectly accuse someone of being a bot, so if anyone wants to investigate for themselves, the game in question is here...decide for yourself: https://boardgamearena.com/6/hearts?table=118631677

If you want to know the reasons why I suspected I was playing against a bot:
* The player always moved instantly (this might not be clear without being able to see timestamps)
* The player's strategy was simplistic and consistent (but terrible): the player seemed to play the highest card possible whenever it was possible to win a trick and the lowest card possible whenever they could not, even though that's an obviously horrible strategy for Hearts, even to a beginner. (I didn't say that it was a *skillful* bot.)
* At the exact point where it was mathematically clear that the game was settled (one player had taken enough points to go under 0 and it was impossible to shoot the moon), the player responded with two non-stock comments in the chat that came on top of each other. This suggests two things: (1) the player was capable of analyzing play, but not capable of playing well, and (2) the player typed those chat messages *very* fast.
* Even though the player posted those two friendly-sounding chats to the room's chat, they did not respond to any (friendly) chat comments before or after that, even though the chat comments were specifically directed to them.

Re: What is the policy re: bots playing on BGA?

Posted: 21 October 2020, 16:29
by Countess-Aleksey
Hello

Thank you for calling me a bot, whatever that is suppose to be. I am not a bot.

Thank you for giving me a RED THUMB for no good reason.

I got confused with SPADES, simple as that. I have got confused playing SPADES too with HEARTS.

I find this post pretty humiliating.

Regards

Countess-Aleksey

Re: What is the policy re: bots playing on BGA?

Posted: 21 October 2020, 19:13
by JDplayer
Hi Mickalot,

Countess Aleksey is not a bot - sometimes I've played Spades with her and she's said she needs to adjust between playing Hearts and Spades. I've looked at the first few moves and it is consistent with playing Spades in the style of play.

Nevertheless we should look out for bots and I'm sure boardgamearena does have a policy about that. Computer aided chess players is a massive problem online.

Thanks,

JDPlayer

Re: What is the policy re: bots playing on BGA?

Posted: 21 October 2020, 20:08
by whatshisbucket
wow y'all are so cordial

With regards to the policy, bots (as mickalot described) are strictly forbidden. The TOS prohibits anything that would make moves without human input.

However, using aids to help you decide your moves such as the "computer aided chess players" JD describes is certainly allowed. Of course if you want to play chess online then this is not the site for you, for this and many other reasons.

Re: What is the policy re: bots playing on BGA?

Posted: 21 October 2020, 21:55
by KongKing123
Automated systems are indeed prohibited: https://boardgamearena.com/legal
Terms of Service wrote:The Player agrees not to resort to the use of automated systems such as scripts to play or send messages.
"Player assistance" is allowed though, so you're free to develop a script like Pythia for example.

Re: What is the policy re: bots playing on BGA?

Posted: 22 October 2020, 03:53
by mickalot
KongKing123 - Thanks for pulling out the relevant line -- I had scanned through the terms of service, but clearly I missed that line. Your explanation answers my questions perfectly, thank you.

Countess-Aleksey, my profuse apologies. My intention wasn't to offend -- I was trying to be a helpful community member by flagging unusual behavior to the moderators, with the goal of making BGA a better place for all of us. Clearly, I missed the mark. :oops: I can't unpost my message, but if there's residual damage that I can remedy (can I undo a red thumb?), could someone let me know so I can make it right? So sorry!

Re: What is the policy re: bots playing on BGA?

Posted: 22 October 2020, 09:46
by Countess-Aleksey
Hello Mickalot

Thank you for your sincere apology.

Furthermore, I have noticed that an x number of players have been reading what has been written here and may have wondered why I did not respond to your friendly chat. I did not engage because on a previous occasion when playing Hearts I was verbally sexually abused.

Regards

Countess-Aleksey

Re: What is the policy re: bots playing on BGA?

Posted: 22 October 2020, 10:41
by dschingis27
mickalot wrote: ↑22 October 2020, 03:53 (can I undo a red thumb?)
Of course. Go to the player's profile page and click on the red thumb in the Reputation Section. The red thumb should change back to 2 thumbs, red and green.