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Most of games in BGA use genitive form of you in translations (Sinun) but the translation is in nominal form (Sinä). This results most translations being wrong. This means most correct finnish translations on the site are wrong and sound bad.

I don't know where this translation is located, but it'd be handy if it was "Sinun" or "Sinä/sinun" instead of just Sinä.

Ideal case would be that the translators could write in the correct word somehow, e.g. $(You=Sinun), and it'd display the latter correct translation.

English equivalent for situation is using "your" and "you" in wrong places. for example "Your must choose token" or "You token is not on board" (instead of You/Your)

Murrur wrote: ↑07 December 2020, 13:21 I don't know where this translation is located, but it'd be handy if it was "Sinun" or "Sinä/sinun" instead of just Sinä.

Nah, changing the ${you} to "Sinun" or even "Sinä/sinun" would just break existing translations, the latter being just clumsy. It really doesn't solve the problem, more like moves it into a different location. I do like the option of changing the default value in the translation, but how do you implement that is another question. Maybe a more painless way is to have a genitive and nominal form yous in different scalars, but then the question arises what are those board game programmers gonna do? But that's for devs to solve.

In the meantime I've taken the stance of trying to fit the sentence to the nominal form. So far using "Sinä joudut" has proved to work quite well. I could also just use "Sinä voit", but then I'd have to think if the game has room for optional actions. Changing the tone is not without its problems.

You can be also mean "Te" if used as second person plural.

Well now, according to the big news about coming updates along the year:

BGA wrote:We will try to improve translations and support for pronouns in the next version

So I guess we can expect to see greater control in future updates.

'You' can be:

sinä
sinun
sinut
sinulle
te
teidän
teidät
teille
Te
Teidän
Teidät
Teille

... and these are only the most common possibilities

How does the variable "${You}" function?

Is it possible simply omit the variable "${You}" and replace it with "Sinun" directy?

${You} must.

= Sinun täytyy.

I might be better to replace '${you}' simply with 'you' and let the tranlator to tranlate it correctly.

Voisko nyt korvata 'you' käännöksen 'sinä' käännöksellä 'sin' ja laittaa '${you}ä' tai '${you}ut'?

patsyish wrote: ↑17 February 2023, 15:47 Voisko nyt korvata 'you' käännöksen 'sinä' käännöksellä 'sin' ja laittaa '${you}ä' tai '${you}ut'?

EI. Et todellakaan.

"${you}" ei muutu muuksi kuin "Sinä", joten joudut yksinkertaisesti mukautumaan siihen. Joten jos teksti on tyyliin "${you} must play a card.", suosittelen vahvasti kääntämään se muotoon "${you} pelaat kortin." tai "${you} voit pelata kortin."

rexroom wrote: ↑17 February 2023, 19:10

patsyish wrote: ↑17 February 2023, 15:47 Voisko nyt korvata 'you' käännöksen 'sinä' käännöksellä 'sin' ja laittaa '${you}ä' tai '${you}ut'?

EI. Et todellakaan.

"${you}" ei muutu muuksi kuin "Sinä", joten joudut yksinkertaisesti mukautumaan siihen. Joten jos teksti on tyyliin "${you} must play a card.", suosittelen vahvasti kääntämään se muotoon "${you} pelaat kortin." tai "${you} voit pelata kortin."

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