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ARENA SCORES - Could the BGA TEAM consider this?

Posted: 13 March 2021, 10:49
by BarboRosso
I think the current scoring system is not fair.
I was in second position, I lost to another elite who was seventh, I lost 24 points, we then found ourselves, I was third and he always seventh .... I won but I only had 19 points. It's 20%

A victory / defeat in the same league must not have penalties.
Maybe there could be some bonus winnings in case of overwhelming victory.

Re: ARENA SCORES - Not correct

Posted: 13 March 2021, 11:28
by Tisaac
BarboRosso wrote: 13 March 2021, 10:49 I think the current scoring system is not fair.
I was in second position, I lost to another elite who was seventh, I lost 24 points, we then found ourselves, I was third and he always seventh .... I won but I only had 19 points. It's 20%

A victory / defeat in the same league must not have penalties.
Maybe there could be some bonus winnings in case of overwhelming victory.
Overwhelming victory means nothing, only d'un/loose matter to rank someone level.

Re: ARENA SCORES - Not correct

Posted: 14 March 2021, 00:02
by BarboRosso
How it's possible that both elite's player, if I win +19, if I lose -24 => the difference is 20%

Re: ARENA SCORES - Not correct

Posted: 14 March 2021, 00:40
by Tisaac
BarboRosso wrote: 14 March 2021, 00:02 How it's possible that both elite's player, if I win +19, if I lose -24 => the difference is 20%
Because Arena also use a ELO rating system, so the difference of these points matter to compute the gain/loss.

Re: ARENA SCORES - Not correct

Posted: 14 March 2021, 07:28
by dgjxqz
Sounds like the arena ranking is seriously flawed, a player could deliberately lose his non-arena games and keep his ELO at 100 to boost his arena performance.

Re: ARENA SCORES - Not correct

Posted: 14 March 2021, 10:01
by BarboRosso
#Tisaac ... Also if other ELO is too high the score isn't different
This morning Vs other Elite before I lost 25 points, after I win ONLY 10 points

Re: ARENA SCORES - Not correct

Posted: 14 March 2021, 12:53
by Tisaac
BarboRosso wrote: 14 March 2021, 10:01 #Tisaac ... Also if other ELO is too high the score isn't different
This morning Vs other Elite before I lost 25 points, after I win ONLY 10 points
Again, it works similarly to ELO. You won against someone with 200 less arena points, so you were more likely to win than the player that won against you with only 100 more arena points, thus explaining the difference of rewards

Re: ARENA SCORES - Not correct

Posted: 14 March 2021, 22:24
by sprockitz
dgjxqz wrote: 14 March 2021, 07:28 Sounds like the arena ranking is seriously flawed, a player could deliberately lose his non-arena games and keep his ELO at 100 to boost his arena performance.
it's not based on Elo, it is based on Arena score. These are similar concepts but scored completely different. tanking non arena games will have no impact on your gains and losses in arena games.

Re: ARENA SCORES - Not correct

Posted: 20 March 2021, 14:32
by BarboRosso
Tisaac wrote: 14 March 2021, 12:53
BarboRosso wrote: 14 March 2021, 10:01 #Tisaac ... Also if other ELO is too high the score isn't different
This morning Vs other Elite before I lost 25 points, after I win ONLY 10 points
Again, it works similarly to ELO. You won against someone with 200 less arena points, so you were more likely to win than the player that won against you with only 100 more arena points, thus explaining the difference of rewards
ELO or not ELO, this method of reward for me is not fair,
equable.
In the same League you aren't more likely to win.
Who arrives in the Elite is a good player who has won in several low leagues and for those who try to climb the ranking it is too penalizing especially if the one who is in front does NOT play and therefore has NO chance possibly even losing.
If you want use this system you must also force whoever is in front to play or penalize if they don't play.who plays, statistically also has the possibility of losing and is TOO penalizing for those who chase.

Re: ARENA SCORES - Not correct

Posted: 20 March 2021, 18:22
by whatshisbucket
In the games you play, the players on the top of the leaderboard are those who had a fortunate run of games at some point during the season. You have just as much an opportunity to have a run of games as anyone else. You can't possibly hope to be near the top of the leaderboard every season for such luck based games.

Obviously BGA isn't going to force people to continuously play games. Most people have better things to do with their time, and 3 months is a short enough period for one person to control the leaderboards through their good fortune.