since I'm not a Guru in this game (how are they even chosen?? ), I can't influence the next Arena rules directly.
I wanted to argue that 7WD duel vanilla and 7WD with all expansions are almost completely different games, if you play it competitively - so my idea would be 2 different Arenas for it, so all can play competitively at the same time.
First question would be, do you guys know to whom I'd need to write, to make that happen ?
Second question do you think its a good idea? (argue your opinion please)
Let me quick argue why it is.
- Firstly, from my experience (playing all versions of the game very decently), it IS a gigantic difference - and there should be an opportunity for people who play the most complex version of the game, to play it competitively.
- Secondly, I analyzed the top 200 players (by elo) a while back... usually they exclusively play one version of it, especially if they have a premium account. Least group playing was pure Pantheon; And least by far. About equal were Agora, vanilla and Agora+Pantheon. People who played Agora and Agora+Pantheon, played from time to time the other, and people who played vanilla almost never played anything else.
-> thats why it should be more then one arena (if thats not technically possible it should be alternating)
why it should be 2 different ones, and not 3 or 4 (because the argument about, where we're going to draw lines, will come for sure):
by playerbase there seemed to be 3 most relevant categories (it would be great to have (better) tools for analyzing it properly..) : vanilla, Agora, Agora+Pantheon
from experience, Agora changed the whole game - it plays more like an alternative game, with similar design; It is more than a expansion (like Pantheon is) - this alone would earn Agora the right to be played in Arena. Pantheon adds to this more complexity (to vanilla and agora), and makes the game with full expansions the most complex, tactical, and in my mind, best suited for most hardcore competitive play (Also its WAY less random, then all other versions, without being too restrictive - well I guess that's why its tactical and not strategic...).
It would make sense to have arena for both, Agora and all expansions, but in that case you would split the playerbase (cause people DO play the other version sometimes AND added Pantheon is way easier to learn/master). So you'd have to choose (it could also be alternating, with some weighting, just not at same time) which one; If it would be always the same one, it should be Agora+Pantheon over Agora, because, as I said, it is competitive play, and this is the most complex version of the game.
And the reason why vanilla should exist as Arena, preferably parallel to full expansion arena:
- It's the most basic experience, that a lot of people enjoy competitively.
- There are two, almost exclusive to each other, playerbases, that formed naturally; It does make sense, to have something for both (at the same time)
Hope you guys can help me with that...
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Edit: Vote for this suggestion please! : https://boardgamearena.com/bug?id=54479 <<< without the votes here this discussion might stay irrelevant
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I wanted to argue that 7WD duel vanilla and 7WD with all expansions are almost completely different games, if you play it competitively - so my idea would be 2 different Arenas for it, so all can play competitively at the same time.
First question would be, do you guys know to whom I'd need to write, to make that happen ?
Second question do you think its a good idea? (argue your opinion please)
Let me quick argue why it is.
- Firstly, from my experience (playing all versions of the game very decently), it IS a gigantic difference - and there should be an opportunity for people who play the most complex version of the game, to play it competitively.
- Secondly, I analyzed the top 200 players (by elo) a while back... usually they exclusively play one version of it, especially if they have a premium account. Least group playing was pure Pantheon; And least by far. About equal were Agora, vanilla and Agora+Pantheon. People who played Agora and Agora+Pantheon, played from time to time the other, and people who played vanilla almost never played anything else.
-> thats why it should be more then one arena (if thats not technically possible it should be alternating)
why it should be 2 different ones, and not 3 or 4 (because the argument about, where we're going to draw lines, will come for sure):
by playerbase there seemed to be 3 most relevant categories (it would be great to have (better) tools for analyzing it properly..) : vanilla, Agora, Agora+Pantheon
from experience, Agora changed the whole game - it plays more like an alternative game, with similar design; It is more than a expansion (like Pantheon is) - this alone would earn Agora the right to be played in Arena. Pantheon adds to this more complexity (to vanilla and agora), and makes the game with full expansions the most complex, tactical, and in my mind, best suited for most hardcore competitive play (Also its WAY less random, then all other versions, without being too restrictive - well I guess that's why its tactical and not strategic...).
It would make sense to have arena for both, Agora and all expansions, but in that case you would split the playerbase (cause people DO play the other version sometimes AND added Pantheon is way easier to learn/master). So you'd have to choose (it could also be alternating, with some weighting, just not at same time) which one; If it would be always the same one, it should be Agora+Pantheon over Agora, because, as I said, it is competitive play, and this is the most complex version of the game.
And the reason why vanilla should exist as Arena, preferably parallel to full expansion arena:
- It's the most basic experience, that a lot of people enjoy competitively.
- There are two, almost exclusive to each other, playerbases, that formed naturally; It does make sense, to have something for both (at the same time)
Hope you guys can help me with that...
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Edit: Vote for this suggestion please! : https://boardgamearena.com/bug?id=54479 <<< without the votes here this discussion might stay irrelevant
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