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Memoir 44 is going premium

waltero wrote: ↑01 July 2022, 19:59

Memoir 44 is going premium

But, but, but it's still in Beta

Games are usually premium as soon as they hit beta

waltero wrote: ↑02 July 2022, 00:20

Games are usually premium as soon as they hit beta

"beta" is a test version to iron out bugs before release. If you call it a beta after you've released the game, you're not using the accepted meaning of the word. It's a bit like if you were to release a turn-based strategy game but insist on calling it a shooter.

But I'll admit, with things like early access and the fact that almost all games need patching on release day, the concept of "beta" has gotten fuzzy.

"You can only play the buggy scenarios if you pay!", lol.

Kartigan wrote: ↑02 July 2022, 03:39

waltero wrote: ↑02 July 2022, 00:20

Games are usually premium as soon as they hit beta

"beta" is a test version to iron out bugs before release. If you call it a beta after you've released the game, you're not using the accepted meaning of the word. It's a bit like if you were to release a turn-based strategy game but insist on calling it a shooter.

But I'll admit, with things like early access and the fact that almost all games need patching on release day, the concept of "beta" has gotten fuzzy.

It's particularly funny when some of the things they are gating behind the paywall are what is bugged.

Like the dam scenario where you cannot sabotage the bridge, it's sort of funny to be like "You can only play the buggy scenarios if you pay!", lol.

And yes, I know the developers like to split hairs between "bugs" and "not implemented", but that is just another way of saying "bug we aren't planning to fix right now". If it isn't working the way the paper game intended it to, it's a bug.

I still appreciate the game being on here and will almost certainly go premium in the next few days expressly for the purpose of supporting the developers work (they say they get a share, it must be based off of which games "Premium" members play?), but I wish they would just remove scenarios like Schwammenauel Dam from the pool of options when playing "Random" until they have them implemented properly.

Tisaac wrote: ↑02 July 2022, 08:57That's your wish, but we are listening to the majority of players, and they said they rather have an incomplete scenario than no scenario (see operation crusader as well for instance, where we removed the specific medal).
And again, there is a big difference between unimplemented feature and bugs in m44. Many scenarios have some very custom rules which cannot be flagged as such in any way in the editor. As we have a finite dev time, we discussed with community to have a priority list of things to add to the game. And they clearly said that train and sabotage were very low priority compared with adding breakthrough for instance.

diamant wrote: ↑02 July 2022, 11:46

Tisaac wrote: ↑02 July 2022, 08:57That's your wish, but we are listening to the majority of players, and they said they rather have an incomplete scenario than no scenario (see operation crusader as well for instance, where we removed the specific medal).
And again, there is a big difference between unimplemented feature and bugs in m44. Many scenarios have some very custom rules which cannot be flagged as such in any way in the editor. As we have a finite dev time, we discussed with community to have a priority list of things to add to the game. And they clearly said that train and sabotage were very low priority compared with adding breakthrough for instance.

You cannot say that the community prefers an incomplete scenario to the removal of the scenario in general, because the rules that are not implemented affect the gameplay of the scenario in very different ways.
Some incomplete scenarios become too unbalanced to still be of interest, while for others the change is small, for example when a medal-objective is removed when it was rarely obtained in accordance with the rules.

For my part, I think:
1) that a game implemented on BGA must offer features and gaming pleasure as close as possible to games played in real life;
2) if I want to play a game of Memoir '44 in real life, and I come across a scenario where I could not play by the rules for any reason (for example, if I don’t have the required material on hand), I choose another one;
3) therefore, if an incomplete or buggy scenario was still proposed on BGA, when creating a table, I want to know in order to choose another one; in particular, if a table is created with the option of randomly selecting the scenario, I do not want an incomplete or buggy scenario to be selected at random.

Finally, the official scenarios are not limited to those contained in the boxes and extensions published by Days of Wonder. A few years ago, I compiled a list of these scenarios, and many of them do not require further development.