Dice rolling does not seem random

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internetfloozy
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Dice rolling does not seem random

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The amount of times my rolling seems way more programmed then random is mind boggling.

8-10-10-10-8, my most recent example, is not even close to random.

Does each dev make the dice rolling code on their own or is that code just available and shared across all games?
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Jellby
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Re: Dice rolling does not seem random

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8 0 0 0 8 looks pretty random to me. Would you say 1 5 3 2 4 is more random? or 3 3 3 3 3?

My bank's website generates a "random" code every time I want to log in. About 90% of the times I can "clearly" seem some pattern in the random numbers. My point is that (a) we are not designed to evaluate randomness, so don't trust your feelings; and (b) a much larger sample of dice rolls is needed to say anything about it. The probability of a sequence X Y Y Y X in a 10-sided die roll is about 1 in 1000, if I'm not mistaken, which is not too crazy. Now, if you find this same sequence in 10 consecutive games, I could begin to be suspicious...
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Lunalol
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Re: Dice rolling does not seem random

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Nth post on the same topic.
"not even close to random", this sentence means nothing, do you know what random is ? 1 1 1 1 1 is random ! 1 2 3 4 5 6 too !
So, I warn right away, there is no point in continuing.
Good game.
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mwauters92
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Re: Dice rolling does not seem random

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Being frustrated by very poor combat performances, I wanted to check if my dice rolls were indeed biased toward higher numbers. Turned out they were not.
I checked all dice throws in a solo match against Doomsday machines and out of a total 140 rolls, the average is 5.53 and the standard deviation 2.76. The ideal values for a uniform random distribution are 5.5 and 2.89, so the dice rolls of my match are rather close to that.
tarkalak
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Re: Dice rolling does not seem random

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Out of the dozens of games I played here, there is one that I lost directly from a few bad rolls in a large equal battle. Which is pretty normal, I think.

In some games my opponents blamed bad luck, but I don't think it was detrimental. I.e. with better luck on their side I would still have more and/or better stuff to throw at them.

You will remember only the bad moments like this. You will not remember all the better rolls when it didn't really matter.

I had written in the "Strategy Tips" a guide to approximately determine your odds, and if you had the worst odds, it is very likely that you were going to lose anyway.
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Dennis W
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Re: Dice rolling does not seem random

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It's Occam's Razor for me. RNG's are not overly difficult to code and very easy to check w/math like the examples above. Why would Dev purposefully leave in bad code to randomly screw players? He's done great work and should be proud of the result that many of us enjoy.

What would be the point of sabotaging his own code?

You play enough and roll enough dice and you will see it all. (SFB anyone?) The posted screenshot of misses pales in comparison to what an opponent suffered this weekend in a game. He missed 17 out of 17 (3's and 4's mostly) rolls in the first two rounds. I felt horrible for him but he just said "Well, this is going to be a struggle now'. I'm a hothead and would have been raging at my luck - but now I have an example to follow to keep my cool.
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Lunalol
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Re: Dice rolling does not seem random

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What would be the point of sabotaging his own code?
It's why I have nuclear weapons in Unconditional Surrender! 8-)
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