Board Game Arena

Why am I getting punished if some *(s) decide to lose the game early? This is stupid, please award full ELO for a win, no matter if other players leave at some point. I should not be getting punished for other people's problems.

*Moderator edit: please remember not to insult on BGA

Your ELO is increasing as you would be considered the winner. How is that punishing you?

Jest Phulin wrote: ↑12 September 2022, 10:29 Your ELO is increasing as you would be considered the winner. How is that punishing you?

No, it's not. You only gain as much ELO as the match completion percentage. So if someone leaves at 20% match completion, you only gain 20% of the full ELO for the match.

Snowcrash000 wrote: ↑12 September 2022, 12:26

Jest Phulin wrote: ↑12 September 2022, 10:29 Your ELO is increasing as you would be considered the winner. How is that punishing you?

No, it's not. You only gain as much ELO as the match completion percentage. So if someone leaves at 20% match completion, you only gain 20% of the full ELO for the match.

But you also spent less time and it removed the chance of you losing the game.

If it still feels like you got off badly from that - at least you know that the player doing it to you got a severe penalty from it (in both karma and ELO). So they won't be doing it too often or you can lower the chance of meeting such players by restricting by ELO & karma in your tables.

Snowcrash000 wrote: ↑12 September 2022, 12:26

Jest Phulin wrote: ↑12 September 2022, 10:29 Your ELO is increasing ...

No, it's not. You only gain as much ELO ...

I'm still confused as to how gaining ELO is not having it increase.

If someone quits or times out in a game, you get credit for a win over the person who timed out and a tie with everyone else. Your gain is multiplied by the game completion percentage. The person who quit loses the full amount as if the game was 100% finished. As a further adjustment, you can't lose elo (can happen if your elo is a lot higher than everyone else, so a 3-way tie plus a win would be minus elo).

You also can be "punished" if, for example, you were going to win a 5 player game and wind up in a 4 way tie for first instead.

The only solution is to not take elo seriously. It is just an approximation used for pairing purposes, not scientific. The elo algorithm also is poor for many games here, which have a high luck component. There are many games here where, if 2 competent players play, your win chance won't be much higher than 55%.

Another option is arena. If someone quits an arena game, you still get full arena points as if the game finished. You elso calculated normal.

FSKFSK wrote: ↑13 September 2022, 04:10 If someone quits or times out in a game, you get credit for a win over the person who timed out and a tie with everyone else. Your gain is multiplied by the game completion percentage. The person who quit loses the full amount as if the game was 100% finished. As a further adjustment, you can't lose elo (can happen if your elo is a lot higher than everyone else, so a 3-way tie plus a win would be minus elo).

I think Jest Phulin knows this but was being a little snarky because the OP ineloquently said "no, it's not" in response to "your ELO is increasing." Obviously in the 20% completion scenario your ELO is also increasing, just not by as much.