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Arena format is really good

Posted: 16 July 2023, 15:54
by Wonderful Plays
Honestly 4P has become my favorite player count for this game as you can play a lot and scout a lot.
My only wish would be so the other games are public. Makes it a bit more entertaining in 4 player.

Re: Arena format is really good

Posted: 16 July 2023, 16:13
by GTSchemer
I understand it's more boring with hidden other parks, but I also understand the motivation.

If other parks are visible, a competitive player would be motivated to play as slowly as possible to make sure they have a chance to scout the opposing decks (otherwise if you finish your map first, you will not see their decks). Everyone would hate this.

The alternative would be letting everyone view last match's logs which is also not desirable (a lot of work for not much payoff, plus I don't believe scouting other parks is intended, plus it's not even feasible in real life unless you are rushing over to someone else's seat).

Re: Arena format is really good

Posted: 17 July 2023, 15:24
by Wonderful Plays
You can just wait with not clicking the finish and scout. And yeah scouting looks very much intended as it makes the game much more strategic.

Re: Arena format is really good

Posted: 17 July 2023, 15:32
by Jellby
How about, after each match, allowing to see the "public" cards in all players' decks (i.e. those that have been revealed)?

Re: Arena format is really good

Posted: 17 July 2023, 19:28
by Fletcheese
Jellby wrote: 17 July 2023, 15:32 How about, after each match, allowing to see the "public" cards in all players' decks (i.e. those that have been revealed)?
This would be a considerable development effort and the only benefit is strategic insight. From what I've heard the publisher of this game is not interested in its competitive side. It's intended to be a lightweight casual game.
Wonderful Plays wrote: 17 July 2023, 15:24 You can just wait with not clicking the finish and scout. And yeah scouting looks very much intended as it makes the game much more strategic.
I think that's literally the point here. Imagine a turn-based game where everyone was doing this. Everyone would first have to finish their match, not click Finish because they want to wait and scout, and then come back a second time to jot down others' cards before clicking finish. In the meantime all of their other turn-based Challengers arena games are unplayable because there's a game waiting on you.

I really hope the gurus never enable show other matches for this reason. Creates a horrible metagame around waiting to scout.

Re: Arena format is really good

Posted: 18 July 2023, 11:01
by Wonderful Plays
Jellby wrote: 17 July 2023, 15:32 How about, after each match, allowing to see the "public" cards in all players' decks (i.e. those that have been revealed)?
This is a great idea!

BGA and especially arena are competitive formats, this shouldn't be too hard to implement and even if publisher initially thought this is best, we as a community can convince them to see their game in another perspective. It can be both light & fun and more strategic and competitive.

Re: Arena format is really good

Posted: 18 July 2023, 13:06
by Guudys
It's more strategic to actually see what the others are going for even in real life. Seeing someone commit to a build early on will influence your decision if you should take that card or not like "Should I go MUA if I saw that already another player got one?"
We play a lot of 6-8p games in real life and while we play we like to look aside and cheer (or not) for some other players. It doesn't slow the game down because we're still playing at the same time.

I like the proposition to see all the parks at the end of the duel.

Re: Arena format is really good

Posted: 18 July 2023, 13:43
by ufm
Wonderful Plays wrote: 18 July 2023, 11:01 this shouldn't be too hard to implement
Many ideas raised as 'these are easy to program' are only good on paper, are virtually impossible to implement, conflict with other elements or etc.
Wonderful Plays wrote: 17 July 2023, 15:24 as it makes the game much more strategic
After all, adding strategic elements does not automatically make the game better.