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Changes in elo's visiblity in cooperatives games

Posted: 12 December 2023, 14:27
by Romain672
Hi,
So today they changed lots of things about elo in cooperatives games:
- during a game the elo isn't shown
- at the end of a game, you don't see the potential gain or loss of elo
- in the profile, the elo is changed from a value to a text

I'm not sure of the goal of it, I know this part could gain a lot from having some changes, but having some extra challenges like knowing that in 5 games I will reach X elo was pretty nice.

Re: Changes in elo's visiblity in cooperatives games

Posted: 12 December 2023, 16:09
by Stroom
That's quite stupid for Hanabi. 700 elo players are still quite *. 900s are playing more consistently. At the very least, they should add another level beyond master.

*moderator edit: no need to use insulting language. Please remember to be kind in discussions on BGA.

Re: Changes in elo's visiblity in cooperatives games

Posted: 12 December 2023, 18:03
by Blacktango
Weird, there is no patch note :(

I guess it's not dry yet, and an announcement will come soon.

EDIT : Here is the link to the announcement.

Re: Changes in elo's visiblity in cooperatives games

Posted: 12 December 2023, 18:54
by PilviTheCloud
Wait? That is not some bug?? How is that even logical... Not even to see points when finishing game?

Re: Changes in elo's visiblity in cooperatives games

Posted: 12 December 2023, 23:11
by sosotess
I won't lie, I hate this change. I want to keep track of my ELO in all games, not just competitive ones. Also, it was nice to play with people with thousands of ELO points and to congratulate them on it. No way to know now...

Re: Changes in elo's visiblity in cooperatives games

Posted: 13 December 2023, 02:03
by ufm
Agreed. Either as a co-op player or as a co-op dev, this is a regression.

Re: Changes in elo's visiblity in cooperatives games

Posted: 13 December 2023, 02:27
by sprockitz
This broke Elo in games with solo variants. Now have someone i. Railroad ink with 1300 Elo by playing solo someone in next station london almost 900. Whatever this fix was it broke a bunch of other stuff!!!

Re: Changes in elo's visiblity in cooperatives games

Posted: 13 December 2023, 03:01
by ufm
In fact I have all three kinds of games affected by this game in my game list.

- In rank disabled competitive games this might be the right call, as this makes cheaters harder to brag about their ELO.
- In ELO simulating co-ops: https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33776 (for example, 700s ≠ 900s).
- In plain rating co-ops: Rating count is a form of XP meter. Also, 'Apprentice' category needs some distinction as it can range from 0 wins to 99 / X (X = gained rating per win) wins. Assuming X to be 1, this even goes to 0 wins ~ 99 wins.

sprockitz wrote: 13 December 2023, 02:27 This broke Elo in games with solo variants. Now have someone i. Railroad ink with 1300 Elo by playing solo someone in next station london almost 900. Whatever this fix was it broke a bunch of other stuff!!!
This is a separate bug. Take a look at Yahtzee ranking (facepalm)

Re: Changes in elo's visiblity in cooperatives games

Posted: 13 December 2023, 05:06
by Ross Mosis
This affects Hardback which I mostly play competitively even though it has a cooperative option.

:(

Re: Changes in elo's visiblity in cooperatives games

Posted: 13 December 2023, 06:57
by PilviTheCloud
sprockitz wrote: 13 December 2023, 02:27 This broke Elo in games with solo variants. Now have someone i. Railroad ink with 1300 Elo by playing solo someone in next station london almost 900. Whatever this fix was it broke a bunch of other stuff!!!
But railroad ink is not co-op. Those co-op's i played were you can play solo, you don't get any elo's. I am neither sure can you get elo's on other games by playing solo... At least as I remember before couldn't get any.