There are ZERO reasons tournament games have "Skip" other than some people abuse it for personal advantages

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Calmon70
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There are ZERO reasons tournament games have "Skip" other than some people abuse it for personal advantages

Post by Calmon70 »

It would be the easiest change on the whole platform:

if game.type=tournament: deactive the skip button

There is NO reason "Skip" exists because tournament is taking care of everything anyway and new round needs to wait until ALL have finished.

But there are several reasons (for some people) to use it for your own tactical advantage.

Tournament creators even write "Don't skip" in tournament description but it doesn't help.

Please for the sake of sanity: remove the button.
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Re: There are ZERO reasons tournament games have "Skip" other than some people abuse it for personal advantages

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Not a new suggestions:

https://boardgamearena.com/bug?id=97445
https://boardgamearena.com/bug?id=97445
https://boardgamearena.com/bug?id=107708
https://boardgamearena.com/bug?id=37022
https://boardgamearena.com/bug?id=35239
https://boardgamearena.com/bug?id=35289

I wonder how many people who complain about it upvote suggestions? I would also point out that the suggestions disagree what to do about it. And that while it would definitely be a good idea to eliminate the skip specifically in tournaments it would not completely remove time as an element (you could still run the clock down to end the game based on time - which is fair but would likely still provoke complaints).
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Re: There are ZERO reasons tournament games have "Skip" other than some people abuse it for personal advantages

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RobertBr wrote: 06 June 2024, 07:48 And that while it would definitely be a good idea to eliminate the skip specifically in tournaments it would not completely remove time as an element (you could still run the clock down to end the game based on time - which is fair but would likely still provoke complaints).
The difference being that if you run the clock down, you will (probably) lose, since rankings are based on time remaining. I mean, yes, there is a case where another player has a small amount of time left, or is already in the red, and the person running down the clock has enough time left so that their final time won't be less than that other player, but that's going to be in a lot fewer situations than currently happen where a person boots another player to avoid being the loser who is eliminated.
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Re: There are ZERO reasons tournament games have "Skip" other than some people abuse it for personal advantages

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Why do people sign up to tournaments they don't have time to play?

If everyone keep within time no one gets skipped.
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Re: There are ZERO reasons tournament games have "Skip" other than some people abuse it for personal advantages

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Tournaments are different due to fixed time and limited options in how long you can give to each player. If you happen to end up playing with someone who takes their turn just after you fall asleep each day, your time in tournaments can run down quickly. While some have argued that tournaments should perhaps be seen as a test of endurance, I don't think that's the intention. Unfortunately, tournaments don't get a lot of attention from admin here (for new features, suggestions, bug fixes, etc.) so nothing has been changed in that way of running for a long time.
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Re: There are ZERO reasons tournament games have "Skip" other than some people abuse it for personal advantages

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Tournament timing should be like other turn based games and based on moves per day, not total time. I play lots of turn based Arena games, I usually check in several times a day and take my turn on ALL the games waiting for me. I never go more than 24 hours without playing and I never run out of time. But I often run out of time in tournaments like 6Nimmt and someone skips me, despite me asking politely to be allowed to complete the game which is in everyone’s best interests. I think living in a less popular Timezone (NZ) makes it worse, so if it becomes my turn 10 minutes after I go to bed I lose 8 hours, a few nights of this and I’m out of time. I will now avoid tournaments of longer games.
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Re: There are ZERO reasons tournament games have "Skip" other than some people abuse it for personal advantages

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frogstar_A wrote: 26 June 2024, 18:38 Why do people sign up to tournaments they don't have time to play?

If everyone keep within time no one gets skipped.
The problem usually occurs when there are people in different time zones playing the tournament, in which case your turn sometimes starts when you are asleep.

It can also happen that you have signed up for a tournament that takes place over a number of months, and you have a brief period of a few days where you are unable to play consistently.
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ChrisKern wrote: 17 July 2024, 18:30 The problem usually occurs when there are people in different time zones playing the tournament, in which case your turn sometimes starts when you are asleep.
Well, someone pointed out to me that even where all players are in the same timezone, someone will take the last turn before all players sleep for the day, and that player's clock will run down. If it's the same person every night, they'll probably end up in the red. Someone else once pointed out to me that the larger problem is that insufficient time is allowed to complete more complex games - we need longer tournament max time per game. Or we need localised sleeping hours (ie. everyone gets 8-12 hours off to sleep, but it's localised to their region, instead of being the same for all regions).
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Pinception
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Re: There are ZERO reasons tournament games have "Skip" other than some people abuse it for personal advantages

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This is happening to me now a Castles of Burgundy tournament. Game 1 finished without an issue. Game 2, I've lost 18 hours in 3 days as the person before me is in Russia and has taken their turn at 3am UK time.

I've got 10 less hours remaining on my timer than the other two players now and we're still in phase 2. Almost certainly gonna run out of time before we finish at this rate.

First time I've experienced the problem (only recently started playing tournaments). It's not an enjoyable feeling at all - very stressful in fact.
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Re: There are ZERO reasons tournament games have "Skip" other than some people abuse it for personal advantages

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I experienced an issue with the Skip feature also in a Tournament today. Because of the different time zones at the end, two players got over the time limit of 7 days. We all ignored that, but at the end, the last ranked player (before that match number one in the group phase) with 30 minutes on the clock decides to skip the second player who would have gotten 4 Points. He skipped the player intentionally at the end to not go out with 0 Points. Its unbelievable that this is possible to manipulate the outcome of a match.
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