option to turn off Confirm removed

[X_MIKE_X]

(...) resisting to the crowd which only cares about their view and no logical arguments against.

LOL funny how when you don't wanna hear something you can't see the logic in what was said. There is plenty of logic in everything that was said here. But you just don't wanna see it.

Stop trying to be *. Instead, try to understand our point of view. You might learn something .


*Moderator edit: please keep the discussion polite

[Cile]

It's enabled by default, like the table option, because 90% of the games were played with confirm activated, so most people wants it.

Well, this was the default so it's hardly a surprise that most games used it. It also means that 10% of people explicitly changed their settings for a mode that no longer exists. If anything, this proves that the way before worked - people could choose which way they wanted to play. If I was a betting man, I'd guess that the 10% are the ones that play the game regularly.

90% of games, not 90% of players. If that 10% played more regularly than other players then it would be more than 10% of games without the option. This is the definition of a very loud vocal minority.

[Nekojin]

(...) resisting to the crowd which only cares about their view and no logical arguments against.

LOL funny how when you don't wanna hear something you can't see the logic in what was said. There is plenty of logic in everything that was said here. But you just don't wanna see it.

Stop trying to be Mr. Righteous. Instead, try to understand our point of view. You might learn something .

Why should he bend to your perception when he's right?

[franck67000]

So we have Nekojin, 5 games, 0 wins, didnt play for 4 monthes, and aejin 2 games, 1win, last games 3 years ago, who will say X_MIKE_X, 2500 games, plays everyday what are the best options to play ? interesting...

[Cile]

So we have Nekojin, 5 games, 0 wins, didnt play for 4 monthes, and aejin 2 games, 1win, last games 3 years ago, who will say X_MIKE_X, 2500 games, plays everyday what are the best options to play ? interesting...

https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/ad-hominem-fallacy/

If you want to use how often people play Azul as an argument, what we have is 90% of games be played with Confirm before the change. It is a the vast majority that preferred playing that way already.

[aesche]

Thanks Cile, exactly.

And not to forget that ppl also could have several accounts and play azul with another one than they are active in the forum with, or speak up for another active player that isnt active here, …

But it‘s easier ofc to attack personally and give out funny names, than to consider other opinions.

[X_MIKE_X]

So we have Nekojin, 5 games, 0 wins, didnt play for 4 monthes, and aejin 2 games, 1win, last games 3 years ago, who will say X_MIKE_X, 2500 games, plays everyday what are the best options to play ? interesting...

Yes, that's how things work here. Who cares about your opinion? Not them!
I am right, you are wrong. And I won't even consider your point because screw you.

So, no compromise possible ever. It's the sad world we live in.

All we are asking is to let ALL players the option TO CHOOSE how they prefer to play. Those that don't like one mode can choose not to play like that. It's fair, no? Everyone get a choice. A simple request. But Nooooo! Denied!

Well, thanks guys.

And to set the record straight: X_MIKE_X 2756 games, *used* to play everyday. I have not played in 3 days because of the change. And will not play again unless a change is made. I still read this forum in case a miracle would have happen. How naive of me.

[X_MIKE_X]

If you want to use how often people play Azul as an argument, what we have is 90% of games be played with Confirm before the change. It is a the vast majority that preferred playing that way already.

No, not at all. It just mean what the stat says: they were played like that. Claiming they preferred (like they intentionally picked that option) is a stretch.

This was the default option. If No-undo would have been the default, the stat would probably say 90% played with No-undo.

If you wanna claim anything, you can say that most likely most people WERE INDIFFERENT. I would agree with you.

There is a lot of casual players who just run with the defaults. I am one of them in other games.

[tjhhehe]

I love the change.

Honestly do not understand why some people wish to spam games with lower quality plays, rather than slight longer and more thought out ones. I think many people here acknowledge the fact that turning off confirm is a disadvantage. Not only do misclicks happen, which sometimes basically loses you the game, but also many players do not realise that disable confirm is a thing(which gives the host an advantage to begin with)

[Nekojin]

Mike, Mike, Mike. You're throwing a temper tantrum over something that does not change how YOU play the game.

You personally want to skip Confirm, you can do that. But what you're asking for is something that would strip everyone - all of your opponents - of their ability to choose whether to skip or not.

This isn't something that changes the rules of Azul. It only changes the interface, allowing it to be more granular, so that each player can decide for themselves whether they see and use the Confirm function. User interface changes should not be under a single player's control - each person should have their own control on that, to the extent that the platform allows. In this case, separating the Confirm out to a personal choice instead of a per-game choice is superior. The fact that you don't like how it works is irrelevant, because for the VAST range of players, this is either no change at all, or an improvement.

And you're claiming that WE'RE the ones taking choice away from YOU? Hilarious. Your game hasn't changed. No rules to the game have changed. The way you interact with the game hasn't changed. Only the way that other people do. So... if you're so strong on personal choice, why are you against this?

We know why. Cile nailed it on the head, in the other thread about this.

Don't forget that Simple Game (default mode) is for casual play. If the game goes too slow for you because of people Undoing their actions, try a different mode. Play on Fast. Go play Arena. I assure you your opponents will be faster there. But speed isn't really your problem, is it?

Your flexing about the number of games you've played, and your "boycott," aren't going to change things. Sites never benefit from kowtowing to the loudest forum fighters, or the biggest complainers. Because no matter what they do, SOMEONE is going to complain about it. It's impossible to please everyone... but you can do things that benefit the greatest number.

And no, there's no "compromise" possible, because the actual compromise has already been made - that is, something that allows each and every player to have it how they want it. But you don't want a compromise, you want to try to force things back to how you want it... for everyone. Or at least, everyone you play against.

This was a change made to benefit everyone, from the newest of new players, up to the peak pros. And each person now has their choice on how to play. If you want to keep holding your breath, well, have fun with that. You're the only one suffering from your loss. You're not winning this fight.