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U almost never have to com a 7 winner or a 7 loser. I see people all the way up to masters do this too often so I will post my thoughts on it.

7 as a winner - Just think about it. Single 8 or single 9 should com so why do u have to com that u are winning with a 7. Be confident in your 7s. If u didn't win with your 7 i feels as if it wasn't your fault. Save your com.

7 as a loser - I think that if u are needing to win with a 6 or lower it should to be commed. Therefore comming a 7 loser is almost never needed. The 6 winner should com. Also 78 or 79 gets commed way too often. It's the same as a 7 com. Now if u hold 789 then u should com the 7 but the other 2 combos are not needed as a com because it's a losing 7 com.

This is why 7 is the SWEET SPOT OF THE GAME!

Hello,

Rohcz wrote: ↑07 August 2024, 02:027 as a winner - Just think about it. Single 8 or single 9 should com so why do u have to com that u are winning with a 7. Be confident in your 7s. If u didn't win with your 7 i feels as if it wasn't your fault. Save your com.

If someone else has two 8s/9s solo, that's annoying since he can only comm one of them.
Not to mention that many cases depending of the positions can be annoying. Let's said you got task g3 as the third player, and the forth player got task g4. Then the first player open with g4. The second player got g28. What should they play?
That's pretty rare, but that can cause a lose on a free win. To avoid it, you can just comm your 7 every time instead of every trick try to think if the order of players work or not (I do it sometimes if I got a second thing to comm, but that's annoying to keep track).

That's a low priority though.

Rohcz wrote: ↑07 August 2024, 02:027 as a loser - I think that if u are needing to win with a 6 or lower it should to be commed. Therefore comming a 7 loser is almost never needed. The 6 winner should com. Also 78 or 79 gets commed way too often. It's the same as a 7 com. Now if u hold 789 then u should com the 7 but the other 2 combos are not needed as a com because it's a losing 7 com.

I like to comm the 7 if I have nothing else to comm. If someone has a difficult hand with only 6s, that can help them to comm the other problem only.
If someone else has a single card on that color, they could comm it too, and so the two others players know they got the 7 remaining cards at two. Which can open weird plays.
For the same reasons 78 and 79 gives information. If someone has xx6 xx6 25 14, then he can comm the 6s where someone don't have 78 or 79 per example.

If I think I could need my comm later, I would not comm 7.



And so that's why as master I prefer players who comm. When the game is lost partially cause of me and I keeped my comm, I try to see if I could have helped others players somehow. And so many proactive comms are not necessarly but are imo far better than keeping my comm 'just in case' for later.
If a new player read it, I want to insist: I don't suggest you those comms, those are optionnal.

I agree with Romain. It's a low priority comm, but it can be useful. In particular, I don't think that a 6 winner is an automatic comm: I don't think it's rare to have to prioritise another comm over the 6 winner. The sweet spot for me is about 6.5.

Winning with a 6 is not a must com but i didn't want to get too in depth on it. Depends on early game late game and what u hold with your 6. Like single 6 or 6 and one lower card or 6 and multiple lowers. It really depends on the situation. But in my post im considering early game.

I have to agree with Rohcz on this one. (Which is unusual)

Example: Rohcz has p3 task, and he’s fine because he has p9. Romain has b3 task, and he’s fine because he has b9. Romain comms p7. I lead pink and Rohcz takes his task. Now, should Rohcz lead blue? I don’t think so. The p7 comm must mean something, and since it can’t mean anything about Rohcz’s task, it must mean Romain can’t win in blue. You see the confusion?

I’ll offer a couple related points so Rohcz has things to disagree with …
I expect some disagreement on my very last point.

1. Leading high.
If a player has a b3 task, and there is no comm, and I have b27, I should lead the 7 (generally). It should not be a problem, because with no comm, I should expect an 8, 9 or rocket. If there is a problem and there is a reason they didn’t comm, more often than not we will be in better position with the 7 gone than the 2.

2. Choosing a task.
You have a choice between two tasks in two suits. In one suit you have a 7, 8, or 9. In the other suit you are void. You should usually chose the task you have the 7, 8, or 9. Next time your team is struggling and failing half the missions, take notice how often someone is choosing the suits they can rocket. You’ll be surprised how often this is the reason the missions seem tough. What happens is, a player with a b84 chooses the pink task they are void in, and the player with with p84 has to take that blue task, which they have 3 low cards in. The mission would be easy if they both took the tasks they have high cards in. But since the early person didn’t, the later person couldn’t. Think about it, if you have a high card in a suit, it’s less likely another player will also.

Yeah I don't comm p7 on that situation, but wait for my blue task or a pink comm to be done before comm p7.

You're right, I meant comm p7. (just edited it)

I know you are a smart player Romain, and you wouldn't comm there. My point is the a comm that isn't needed is confusing, and it happens a lot.

Wreckage wrote: ↑09 August 2024, 05:37 I have to agree with Rohcz on this one. (Which is unusual)

Example: Rohcz has p3 task, and he’s fine because he has p9. Romain has b3 task, and he’s fine because he has b9. Romain comms p7. I lead pink and Rohcz takes his task. Now, should Rohcz lead blue? I don’t think so. The p7 comm must mean something, and since it can’t mean anything about Rohcz’s task, it must mean Romain can’t win in blue. You see the confusion?

I'm firmly in your camp regarding the sweet spot 7 and not needing to comm it.

but I don't see how your example here applies? If Romain comms a solo p7, clearly that's not meant to win his blue task with.

If they comm 7 highest, you know the 7 carries no risk for Rohcz' task. So there's no way romain meant it as a warning. That's an obvious 'I wanna win with pink' clue.

If Romain comms, 7 lowest, that's no longer really a 7 comm at all. They're comming an 8 and/or 9. That's a fairly clear warning comm. Max of 3 pink cards isn't likely to be Romains intended winning route, and if it is, he'd prob comm 9 high instead.

Don't see any situation there where those two meanings could both be likely.

There could be some initial confusion with limited comms. But in your example a pink trick has already been played.
Either Romain plays 7 (or higher) you know it was likely solo/a warning comm. And that he def didn't plan to use it to win his own

Or he played lower, and again you know it can't have been a warning comm, must mean then that he's keeping the 7 to win with.