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PSA: This game involves luck
Posted: 06 September 2025, 16:23
by Obiwan Jacobi
It seems strange to me that some people choose to play a game that involves a fair amount luck (like this one) and then end the game by complaining about their luck. If you play enough, you'll have a surprise loss where someone got all three army tiles right at the start, or always seems to have the right piece at the right time. You just say "Thanks for the game" (or say nothing) and move on. And if bad luck is too upsetting, BGA has plenty of games without a luck factor.
Re: PSA: This game involves luck
Posted: 06 September 2025, 23:57
by HaggbartSlark
I win = skill
You win = luck
I think that's seriously how some people's minds work on this subject.
Re: PSA: This game involves luck
Posted: 09 September 2025, 19:45
by InterDaex
Its a fact that this Game depends on luck. You can play your tiles perfectly, u Will lose if u only get ducks and 7s at the begginning
Re: PSA: This game involves luck
Posted: 09 September 2025, 20:46
by HaggbartSlark
InterDaex wrote: ↑09 September 2025, 19:45
Its a fact that this Game depends on luck. You can play your tiles perfectly, u Will lose if u only get ducks and 7s at the begginning
That is literally the title of this post, who are you arguing against?
Re: PSA: This game involves luck
Posted: 11 September 2025, 21:18
by R-Cane
HaggbartSlark wrote: ↑09 September 2025, 20:46
InterDaex wrote: ↑09 September 2025, 19:45
Its a fact that this Game depends on luck. You can play your tiles perfectly, u Will lose if u only get ducks and 7s at the begginning
That is literally the title of this post, who are you arguing against?
Why do you asume he is arguing? He is agreeing with the OP. Pure and simple.
Re: PSA: This game involves luck
Posted: 12 September 2025, 06:49
by InterDaex
Sure, i was just agreeing with the title.
Re: PSA: This game involves luck
Posted: 14 September 2025, 18:28
by HaggbartSlark
Okok
Re: PSA: This game involves luck
Posted: 20 September 2025, 00:27
by tea231
While this game has some luck it’s not crazy by any sorts.
Any game with draws or dice will have some it’s not chess.
Learning how to mitigate that is part of the game.
At best it’s the kind of game that has 5% you win luck, 5% I win luck and 90% of games are skill or strategy.
I love games like this!
Re: PSA: This game involves luck
Posted: 20 September 2025, 02:28
by Meeplelowda
tea231 wrote: ↑20 September 2025, 00:27
While this game has some luck it’s not crazy by any sorts.
Any game with draws or dice will have some it’s not chess.
Precisely this. One proxy for how much luck dominates a game, however crude, is to look at highest ELO that has been achieved in a particular game. The higher that ELO, the more skill plays a dominant role in a game. Think of games where the highest ELO is in the 700s or higher. Or for pure abstract games with zero randomness such as chess, ELO can get to the 900s or higher (not that chess has ELO on BGA, but that's a different topic).
On the other end of the spectrum are games in which the highest ELO is in the 300s to low-400s. Those are basically just elaborate ways of flipping coins.
Toy Battle is sorta in the middle with the peak ELO in the low 500s.
Re: PSA: This game involves luck
Posted: 23 March 2026, 13:17
by Dead Girl
Meeplelowda wrote: ↑20 September 2025, 02:28
tea231 wrote: ↑20 September 2025, 00:27
While this game has some luck it’s not crazy by any sorts.
Any game with draws or dice will have some it’s not chess.
Precisely this. One proxy for how much luck dominates a game, however crude, is to look at highest ELO that has been achieved in a particular game. The higher that ELO, the more skill plays a dominant role in a game. Think of games where the highest ELO is in the 700s or higher. Or for pure abstract games with zero randomness such as chess, ELO can get to the 900s or higher (not that chess has ELO on BGA, but that's a different topic).
On the other end of the spectrum are games in which the highest ELO is in the 300s to low-400s. Those are basically just elaborate ways of flipping coins.
Toy Battle is sorta in the middle with the peak ELO in the low 500s.
Peak Elo is a terrible proxy for the strategic depth of a game on BGA because it depends entirely on the average skill of the player base. Games like Toy Battle that attract a casual player base have highly inflated peak Elos.