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Should Viticulture on BGA Have a Balance Patch / Ban List for the Most Broken Visitor Cards?

Posted: 18 August 2026, 15:03
by SYushen
Should Viticulture on BGA Have a Balance Patch / Ban List for the Most Broken Visitor Cards?

I'd like to start a discussion about the balance of visitor cards in Viticulture, especially with Tuscany.

This is not meant to be a definitive "these are the correct fixes" post. Since we are playing on BGA and obviously cannot physically modify the cards, what I would really like is to collect opinions from the BGA community — especially Expert and Master players who have played a large number of competitive games.

If there is enough agreement that some cards are clearly outside the normal power curve, perhaps we could eventually push for:
  • a balanced variant on BGA;
  • adjustments to a small number of visitor cards; or
  • at the very least, an option to remove a few of the most problematic cards from the deck.
I think this matters particularly for competitive play.

At the time of writing, the highest Viticulture Elo on BGA is only around 671. For a game this popular, established and strategically rich, that seems surprisingly low.

Of course, Elo alone does not prove that card balance is the cause. But I think it is at least consistent with a larger problem: when individual card draws have too much influence over the result, differences in strategic skill translate less consistently into differences in win rate.

Viticulture has a very interesting economic and engine-building system underneath the visitor deck. I would like the winner to be determined more by vineyard development, worker placement, timing and long-term planning, and somewhat less by who happens to draw a 3-VP card at exactly the right moment.

The main multiplayer problem

In my view, assuming 4 players as the default player count, the most problematic visitor cards tend to belong to the same family:
Multiple players are offered a high-value action at a discounted cost, while the player who played the card gains VP depending on the other players' decisions.
These effects can be reasonably balanced in a 2-player game but scale very badly in multiplayer.

In a 4-player game, an opponent is often effectively choosing between:
  • taking a highly profitable action for themselves; or
  • refusing it in order to deny one particular opponent 1 VP.
The problem is that these incentives are asymmetric.

If I am competing against three opponents, allowing one of those three to gain 1 VP is much less damaging to me than losing 1 VP myself.

As a rough relative-value model, one particular opponent gaining 1 VP can be thought of as approximately a 1/3 VP competitive loss to me, because that player represents only one of my three competitors.

Unless the game is already near the end and that particular player is my direct rival, refusing a very profitable action just to deny them 1 VP often makes little sense.

This creates situations where the early/midgame equilibrium is effectively:
Everyone takes the attractive benefit, while the player who drew the card gets 3 VP.
From the card player's perspective, this is also an extremely good trade. Giving similar benefits to three different opponents distributes that value across three competitors, while you alone receive the full 3 VP.

From my experience, these cards have a very strong relationship with winning, and they feel significantly stronger than ordinary visitor cards.

So below is a possible minimal patch that I would use as a starting point for discussion.

Again, I'm not saying these exact numbers are necessarily correct. I'm particularly interested in what high-Elo players think should be changed.

Volunteer Crew / Handyman / Motivator / Guest Speaker / Mentor

Proposal: change "all players" to "up to 2 players."

The player who plays the card chooses the two players and may choose themselves.

If a chosen opponent declines the effect, the card player may choose another player instead.

I like this solution because it does more than simply nerf the cards.

It also creates a mild catch-up mechanism.

If you can choose whom to help, you normally have an incentive to offer the benefit to someone who is behind rather than to the current leader.

That could help keep the whole table competitive for longer instead of helping a leader snowball while the other players have few meaningful ways to respond.

Most importantly, it stops the value of these cards from automatically scaling with player count.

Swindler

In my opinion, this is probably the #1 broken visitor card.

Compare it with Wedding Party.

If nobody pays anybody:
  • Swindler: you gain 3 VP.
  • Wedding Party: you gain 0 VP.
Wedding Party gives the player more control because the opponents cannot block your scoring effect, but the difference between 3 VP and 0 VP is enormous.

Consider the decision of one opponent in a 4-player game.

Option A: Pay another player 2 lira.

You lose 2 lira, and one of your three opponents gains 2 lira.

Using a simple relative-value model, your competitive loss is approximately:

2 + 2/3 = 8/3 lira.

Option B: Refuse and let the Swindler player gain 1 VP.

Since that player is only one of your three opponents, the relative competitive cost is roughly:

1/3 VP.

The game itself frequently values 3 lira at approximately 1 VP.

So the first option represents close to 1 VP of relative economic loss, while refusing represents approximately 1/3 VP of relative loss.

Unless Swindler's owner is your direct rival near the end of the game, refusing is normally the rational choice.

Therefore Swindler very easily becomes:
Play one visitor card → gain 3 VP.
I don't think that is acceptable for a card with essentially no setup cost.

On the other hand, changing Swindler to affect only one opponent could create another problem: that player would be placed under enormous pressure while everyone else is unaffected.

My tentative proposal would therefore be:
  • 2 players: unchanged.
  • 3–6 players: reduce the payment from 2 lira to 1 lira.
  • Maximum 3 opponents affected.
This keeps the political interaction of the original card while making refusal less obviously optimal.

Stonemason

I think Stonemason becomes particularly problematic with Tuscany.

In the base game, one obvious expensive combination is Large Cellar + Tasting Room, with a combined cost of 12 lira.

But Tasting Room is not particularly strong in the competitive meta, so there is often little reason to construct that combination purely to exploit Stonemason.

Tuscany changes the situation.

There are more attractive expensive structures, so Stonemason can simultaneously:
  • save a very large amount of money; and
  • accelerate genuinely useful engine-building structures.
The expansion therefore seems to increase the value of a card that was designed around the economics of the base game.

Possible change:
Cap the total building cost covered by Stonemason at 12 lira. If the two structures cost more than 12 in total, the player must pay the excess in addition to the 8 lira required by the card.
I'm not certain 12 is the perfect number, but it seems like a reasonable conservative ceiling.

Uncertified Teacher / Professor

Proposal: maximum 1 VP from the second option.

With Tuscany, stopping at around 6 workers is extremely common.

That means the 3-VP condition frequently does not represent a meaningful sacrifice at all. You can simply follow a normal efficient worker strategy and later draw a card that awards 3 VP for something you were already going to do.

That feels too much like free scoring.

Assessor

Both options seem excessively efficient.

My tentative caps would be:
Maximum 6 lira / maximum 1 VP.
Governor

This has essentially the same multiplayer-scaling problem discussed above.

Proposal: Each opponent (up to 3) chooses: 1. give you a yellow card. 2. let you draw a yellow card. (no VP at all)

Queen

I would change the target to:
the player currently in first place, determined by VP and then the normal tiebreakers.
If the player using Queen is currently winning, nothing happens.

This would make Queen an explicit catch-up mechanism instead of allowing an already trailing player to be randomly punished.

Architect / Surveyor / Bottler

For all three:
Cap the reward at 2 VP.
I have no problem with visitor cards that let you gain 3 or even 4 VP if you have to pay a meaningful price for them.

If you sacrifice resources, wine, cards, actions, money, or some other valuable asset, then those points are effectively being purchased.

These three cards are different.

They can give 3 or more VP simply because your vineyard already happens to satisfy a condition when you draw the card.

There is very little marginal cost involved.

That makes their scoring too dependent on whether you happen to draw exactly the right visitor at exactly the right time.

For me, that combination is the real problem:

high VP + almost no additional cost + strong dependence on card draw.

A 2-VP ceiling still rewards players for satisfying the condition, but prevents a lucky visitor draw from creating such a large scoring swing.

What I would like to hear from experienced BGA players

These numbers are only my starting point.

In particular, I'd like to hear from Expert/Master-level Viticulture players:
  • Which visitor cards do you believe have the strongest correlation with winning?
  • Are any of the cards above actually balanced by considerations I am missing?
  • Are my proposed nerfs too strong or too weak?
  • Are there other cards that become significantly stronger with Tuscany?
  • Would simply banning a handful of cards be preferable to changing their effects?
  • Should 2-player and 3–6-player games use different card balance?
I would be especially interested in actual observations from high-level BGA games rather than judging cards only by their theoretical maximum value.

Why I think this is worth discussing for BGA

My general principle would be:
Reduce extreme multiplayer scaling, cap essentially free VP, and preserve the original purpose of each card with the smallest possible changes.
I don't want to remove the visitor system or turn Viticulture into a different game.

Randomness and tactical adaptation are part of the design.

But there is a difference between randomness creating interesting situations and randomness overwhelming the value of strategic decisions.

Viticulture is popular enough and strategically deep enough that I would expect extremely strong players to be able to separate themselves consistently from the field.

Yet the top BGA Elo is currently only around 671, which seems low compared with the size and depth of the game.

Again, this is not proof by itself. There are many things that affect Elo distributions.

But I think it is a useful warning sign. If even very strong players cannot convert superior play into wins consistently enough to produce a larger rating separation, excessive variance from visitor cards is at least one plausible contributor.

That is why I would like this to become a community discussion rather than simply my personal house rule.

If experienced players broadly agree that a small group of cards are clearly overpowered, perhaps we could establish a reasonably conservative BGA community balance proposal.

Ideally, BGA could eventually offer it as an optional balanced configuration.

And if changing individual card effects is technically or administratively unrealistic, an even simpler solution would be:
allow a competitive variant that removes a small agreed-upon set of the most unbalanced visitor cards from the deck.
Even that could substantially reduce luck without changing the core game.

I'd be very interested to hear where the strongest players agree or disagree with this list.

Re: Should Viticulture on BGA Have a Balance Patch / Ban List for the Most Broken Visitor Cards?

Posted: 18 August 2026, 18:16
by MasterMystery
not reading through it entirely but there is a lot of balance with the cards off, as it always is on stegmaier games. thats where during development corners are cut. its the same with scythe, same with tapestry...

are there official balancing adjusments by Jamey/stonmaier games? (like they are for tapestry) else this will never happen, general BGA policy only official (publisher) approved variants will be implemented. even so you wish it, there won't be anything happening, but feel free to discuss

p.s.: totally agree about the every player can do X and player playing the card gets vp etc are imbalanced. simply should have been each of your neighbors can. still then gives different value at player counts (as there are 0/1/2/3 other players in 3/4/5/6 player games).

p.p.s: regarding max elo, due to BGAs 100elo minium cap, absolute elo tells us something about a games skill but is also hugely depending on total games played

Re: Should Viticulture on BGA Have a Balance Patch / Ban List for the Most Broken Visitor Cards?

Posted: 18 August 2026, 20:43
by SYushen
If rebalancing is not possible, what about ban list? Like the Power 4 birds in Wingspan. I‘m not sure if the publisher (also SM) officially acknowledged that. Also there‘s the option on BGA to ban the Power 4 + Woodduck. Does BGA have the right to implement that?

Re: Should Viticulture on BGA Have a Balance Patch / Ban List for the Most Broken Visitor Cards?

Posted: 18 August 2026, 20:49
by SYushen
MasterMystery wrote: 18 August 2026, 18:16 not reading through it entirely but there is a lot of balance with the cards off, as it always is on stegmaier games. thats where during development corners are cut. its the same with scythe, same with tapestry...

are there official balancing adjusments by Jamey/stonmaier games? (like they are for tapestry) else this will never happen, general BGA policy only official (publisher) approved variants will be implemented. even so you wish it, there won't be anything happening, but feel free to discuss

p.s.: totally agree about the every player can do X and player playing the card gets vp etc are imbalanced. simply should have been each of your neighbors can. still then gives different value at player counts (as there are 0/1/2/3 other players in 3/4/5/6 player games).

p.p.s: regarding max elo, due to BGAs 100elo minium cap, absolute elo tells us something about a games skill but is also hugely depending on total games played
If rebalancing is not possible, what about ban list? Like the Power 4 birds in Wingspan. I‘m not sure if the publisher (also SM) officially acknowledged that. Also there‘s the option on BGA to ban the Power 4 + Woodduck. Does BGA have the right to implement that?
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Re: Should Viticulture on BGA Have a Balance Patch / Ban List for the Most Broken Visitor Cards?

Posted: 19 August 2026, 01:56
by Suoivax
SYushen wrote: 18 August 2026, 20:49
MasterMystery wrote: 18 August 2026, 18:16 not reading through it entirely but there is a lot of balance with the cards off, as it always is on stegmaier games. thats where during development corners are cut. its the same with scythe, same with tapestry...

are there official balancing adjusments by Jamey/stonmaier games? (like they are for tapestry) else this will never happen, general BGA policy only official (publisher) approved variants will be implemented. even so you wish it, there won't be anything happening, but feel free to discuss

p.s.: totally agree about the every player can do X and player playing the card gets vp etc are imbalanced. simply should have been each of your neighbors can. still then gives different value at player counts (as there are 0/1/2/3 other players in 3/4/5/6 player games).

p.p.s: regarding max elo, due to BGAs 100elo minium cap, absolute elo tells us something about a games skill but is also hugely depending on total games played
If rebalancing is not possible, what about ban list? Like the Power 4 birds in Wingspan. I‘m not sure if the publisher (also SM) officially acknowledged that. Also there‘s the option on BGA to ban the Power 4 + Woodduck. Does BGA have the right to implement that?
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Wingspan's ban list was approved by the publisher.