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Restrict by ELO

Posted: 23 August 2015, 20:23
by gdBlaze
I've been thinking about a partial answer that I gave in the comment thread for "Table Limits" about an ELO restriction. This came up because there is a large ELO variation among players in the Average level but when I became a good player I tended to avoid average players. Not because I don't want to play average players but I perfer not to play with players that have vastly differing ELO than me. A player with 1630 ELO should not have a problem playing a player with 1580 ELO but if you include average players then you're also allowing players with a 1280 ELO. Personally, I like to play everyone but when you play with players that have such a large difference in ELO the possible gain is tiny and the risk is huge. This also defeats the spirit of ELO which is to find players of 'like' ability to play.

So, I propose an ELO restriction.

The current restrictions look like this:

On a new table creation, press "Restrict Table Access"
Restrict By Level: (Beginner, Average, etc...)
Restrict By Reputation: (% thumbs up, % ran out of time, etc...)
Restrict To Group: (Group Names)

Add:

Restrict By ELO: (3% +/-, 5% +/-, 8% +/-, 12% +/-, unlimited)

The following ELO ranges would be used for these settings:

If a player with 1400 ELO makes the following selections:
3%: 1358 to 1442
5%: 1330 to 1470
8%: 1288 to 1512
12%: 1232 to 1568
Unlimited:

If a player with 1600 ELO makes the following selections:
3%: 1552 to 1648
5%: 1520 to 1680
8%: 1472 to 1728
12%: 1408 to 1792
Unlimited:

If a player with 2000 ELO makes the following selections:
3%: 1940 to 2060
5%: 1900 to 2100
8%: 1840 to 2160
12%: 1760 to 2240
Unlimited:

I realize that this may add to the development of this idea but the ELO restriction could be combined with the Level restriction. This would make it possible to increase the limits one way and not the other. For instance, if a player has an 1850 ELO and selects an ELO limit of 8 percent and then selects Expert and Master for Level, He's essentially creating a range of 1702 to unlimited. Or a player with 1650 ELO might use an ELO restriction of 5 percent and a Level restriction of good and expert. He's essentially creating a range of 1567 to 1999.

My prediction for how this gets used is mostly by upper and middle level ELO players. Lower level ELO players have no reason to restrict a table. As players get into the upper 1500's they'll more likely want to restrict their tables both upper and lower. The the upper ELO players will want to have an ELO floor when they start a table.

One last thing, the reason for having up to 12 percent is because some games are more active than others and too narrow a limit might not always work. Players will have to try the limits until they find what they like for a particular game. Also, some games have busy times where a narrow range would be fine but they also have quiet times where a larger ELO range might be needed.

I really think that this fits with the stated goals of BGA and could enhance the play experience for players of every game.

Re: Restrict by ELO

Posted: 31 August 2015, 22:07
by Oso
Agree, but not with this system.

Would be easier if you put a system like:

- -1200
- 1200-1400
- 1400-1500
- 1500-1600
- 1600-1700
- 1700-1800
- 1800-1900
- 1900-2000
- +2000

So there you can select the ELO of your opponents, you can mark more than 1, of course.

Re: Restrict by ELO

Posted: 03 September 2015, 05:28
by gdBlaze
Thanks for the response. I would take your proposal if I can get it. There would still be a problem if you're near the line. For instance if you're 1601. What about overlapping ranges:

-1200
1200-1400
1300-1500
1450-1550
1500-1600
1550-1650
1600-1700
1650-1750
1700-1800
1750-1850
1800-1900
1850-1950
1900-2000
2000+

Still like my other idea but I don't have to code it ;-)

Re: Restrict by ELO

Posted: 03 September 2015, 05:40
by Oso
By 100 is just enough, really

Re: Restrict by ELO

Posted: 10 September 2015, 01:55
by cosmosis
From a code viewpoint, it doesn't seem like it should be that hard to implement restricting to a custom ELO range, then the player could just specify an arbitrary range (1523-1640, or whatever).

I think the main reason it's not done is it just confuses things and makes finding a table to join harder. Could be interesting to hear back from one of the site admins though.

Re: Restrict by ELO

Posted: 11 September 2015, 01:25
by gdBlaze
I would only agree that 100 is enough if you can accumulate the restrictions. So, if I could choose '1500 to 1600' and '1600 to 1700' then I could go with that.

Re: Restrict by ELO

Posted: 14 December 2015, 23:28
by gdBlaze
I've been thinking about this further and I favor the percentage approach. It would only require one pull down and would be more like the current settings under restrict table access.

Restrict by Level:
Restrict by Reputation:
Restrict by ELO:
Restrict by Group:

We could debate about the percentages but I think by 5 is best. So, a pull down with 5% and 10%.

Players at 2000: 5% = plus or minus 100 (1900-2100), 10% = plus or minus 200 (1800-2200).
Players at 1600: 5% = plus or minus 80 (1520-1680), 10% = plus or minus 160 (1440-1760).

I have to say that I really hate being 1580 and a player at 1340 enters the game. I don't kick him out because I'd probably get a red thumb and probably deserve it because it is rude. Please, please, please give an option to prevent players from entering my games that I don't want to play. Not because I don't like them but because when you lose you have to win like 5 games to get your ELO back, SUPER IRRITATING.

Re: Restrict by ELO

Posted: 15 December 2015, 19:47
by intrepid
just so simple get rid of elo such a farce,you can turn off elo but u cant turn off wins/or loses

Re: Restrict by ELO

Posted: 16 December 2015, 00:08
by Smeg
intrepid wrote:just so simple get rid of elo such a farce,you can turn off elo but u cant turn off wins/or loses
How is knowing an opponents skill level a farce?

Re: Restrict by ELO

Posted: 16 December 2015, 02:46
by intrepid
PLEASE READ WINS VERSUS LOSSES AGAIN CANT SHUT OFF WINS OR LOSSES BUT ELO YOU CAN