la carte sponsor 225

[RiZeN_LinK]

Bonjour, j'ai joué la carte sponsor numéro 225 (qui vous immunise contres les effets négatifs : texte de carte "il ne vous affectent plus") alors que j'étais affecté par 2 jetons venin. Quelle fu ma grande surprise, en voyant qu'après avoir joué cette immunité, qui je rappelle m'était confiée par la dite carte, que mes jetons venin restèrent.


Je reporte donc ce phénomène, car mes jetons venin auraient dû disparaître.


Cordialement,

[Tisaac]

Bonjour, j'ai joué la carte sponsor numéro 225 (qui vous immunise contres les effets négatifs : texte de carte "il ne vous affectent plus") alors que j'étais affecté par 2 jetons venin. Quelle fu ma grande surprise, en voyant qu'après avoir joué cette immunité, qui je rappelle m'était confiée par la dite carte, que mes jetons venin restèrent.


Je reporte donc ce phénomène, car mes jetons venin auraient dû disparaître.


Cordialement,

Pas du tout. Vous ne pourrez plus être la CIBLE du PLACEMENT de jetons. Les jetons existant, eux, restent. Ce n'est pas un bug.

[RiZeN_LinK]

Merci pour votre réponse.

JE ne trouve pas ou cela apparaît ?

Ni sur le texte de la carte, ni dans le glossaire.

"Les effets Venin, Constriction, Hypnose et Chapardage
ne vous affectent pas. Si Hypnose ou Constriction devaient vous
affecter, ils affectent le prochain joueur répondant à leur critère de
déclenchement à la place. Concrètement, cela signifie que l’on ne
tient pas compte de la position de vos marqueurs sur les pistes. " voici le glossaire .

Donc, a l'utilisation de ma carte, mes effet négatif devraient disparaitre vu que ceux-ci "ne m'affectent pas"
SI je suis affecté par un effet négatifs, que je joue la 225, ceux ci disparaissent logiquement, ù est cette subtilité ?

[greenjacket124]

What you're missing here is that the sponsor prevents you being affected by the card effects Venom, Pilfering, and Constriction anymore. However, it does nothing to remove any existing tokens from those card effects that you already have.

[RiZeN_LinK]

Where is it written? once again it is to the surprise of the player. If we stick to the text, there is an error

[Tisaac]

Where is it written? once again it is to the surprise of the player. If we stick to the text, there is an error

As highlighted by greenjacket, the text talks about the "card effects" as you can see in the glossary where the words are in italic to makes a reference to the effect itself. Now you could argue that the token effect are part of the card effect but I would disagree with that if you consider the following situation : you are targeted by Venom and then release an animal and have < 5 appeal, would you expect the venom token to be removed in such a case ? No, because the token is already there.
Well, it's the same for the quarantine lab, as specified in the glossary : "Essentially, your counters on the tracks are ignored."

[RiZeN_LinK]

Once again you do not answer the problem. Furthermore, the example cited makes no sense and ultimately your quote does not support anything.
I have read the glossary concerning this card as well as the descriptions of all the negative effects and nothing is stipulated for the resolution of the card except:
- once the card is played, you are no longer affected by negative effects (they should therefore disappear)
- you can no longer be targeted by them
- you are like invisible on the score track regarding the distribution of these


Once again, this extremely important subtlety must appear on the map and not be left to the player to discover.

[greenjacket124]

- once the card is played, you are no longer affected by negative effects (they should therefore disappear)

That is not what the card says, nor what the glossary says. It says that the effects of Venom, Pilfering, and Constriction no longer affect you, and those are italicized to indicate that it's speaking of the card effects. The negative tokens are simply the RESULT of two of those effects. Playing the Quarantine Lab does not magically remove any of the RESULTS that you already have.

[Tisaac]

Once again you do not answer the problem. Furthermore, the example cited makes no sense and ultimately your quote does not support anything.
I have read the glossary concerning this card as well as the descriptions of all the negative effects and nothing is stipulated for the resolution of the card except:
- once the card is played, you are no longer affected by negative effects (they should therefore disappear)
- you can no longer be targeted by them
- you are like invisible on the score track regarding the distribution of these


Once again, this extremely important subtlety must appear on the map and not be left to the player to discover.

Once again you are not reading our answers. As stated above, the glossary never says that you are not affected by negative effects. Such a sentence is NOT in the glossary. The glossary says that the animal effects "Venom, Constriction, Hypnosis, and Pilfering" does not affect you (as you can clearly see with the italic consistently used to refer to effect).
What does that means / how does that works ? Just read the next line the glossary : "Essentially, your counters on the tracks are ignored".
The glossary never mention anything about pre-existing consequences of the effects so again, consider this situation :
"You are targeted by Venom and then release an animal and have < 5 appeal, would you expect the venom token to be removed in such a case ? No, because the token is already there."
=> are you saying that this is not true or that this should be covered by the rulebook because it's not clear ?