I agree that keeping the chop 1 until further notice is the best move. If the 2 of the same colour comes up anywhere then we clue the 2.
Any specific black powder strategies?
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Re: Any specific black powder strategies?
I see this is a pretty old discussion, but here's a couple thoughts...
I've been playing a lot of 2p on difficult with BP on, and some of these ideas aren't as strong with 3+ players, but we've used them with 3-4 players occasionally as well.
First, we decided if bk5 can be clued it should always be clued first. if I give a 1 or 2 clue, and then come back with a 5 clue second turn, this is not a play on any of your original cards, it can only mean play if it's on a new card. This is only a rule with the starting hand. This solves the problem of not being able to save a 5 early which can really hurt if you also want to save other important cards between the 5 and chop.
Second, if a 1 clue hits multiple 1s, it is a play clue starting from the left and continuing until a re-clue of 1 stops us. This is even if the 1s clue touches chop. If we can see the bk1 in someone's hand then we play our ones from the right. This gives info that bk1 is on the table. A single 1 on chop is a save, anywhere else it's a play.
Note: this is on difficult, and although it's much harder to reach 30 points, each individual clue is easier and playing 1s from left to right doesn't have as many problems as in avalanche. This also works for us because we use a lot of blank clues to indicate saves and plays. For instance a multi clue, whether blank or not, means to play our chop card, so we know a single 1 on chop is indeed bk1, because if it is any other 1 we would give multi to have it played.
I've been playing a lot of 2p on difficult with BP on, and some of these ideas aren't as strong with 3+ players, but we've used them with 3-4 players occasionally as well.
First, we decided if bk5 can be clued it should always be clued first. if I give a 1 or 2 clue, and then come back with a 5 clue second turn, this is not a play on any of your original cards, it can only mean play if it's on a new card. This is only a rule with the starting hand. This solves the problem of not being able to save a 5 early which can really hurt if you also want to save other important cards between the 5 and chop.
Second, if a 1 clue hits multiple 1s, it is a play clue starting from the left and continuing until a re-clue of 1 stops us. This is even if the 1s clue touches chop. If we can see the bk1 in someone's hand then we play our ones from the right. This gives info that bk1 is on the table. A single 1 on chop is a save, anywhere else it's a play.
Note: this is on difficult, and although it's much harder to reach 30 points, each individual clue is easier and playing 1s from left to right doesn't have as many problems as in avalanche. This also works for us because we use a lot of blank clues to indicate saves and plays. For instance a multi clue, whether blank or not, means to play our chop card, so we know a single 1 on chop is indeed bk1, because if it is any other 1 we would give multi to have it played.
Re: Any specific black powder strategies?
I fully agree with Ank on all matters. I do respect Travis, who is clearly a great player with great logic.
IMO playing 1's from the right is still the most logical, and only change this if someone gives you a repeated 1 clue or color info to stop.
This mainly comes down to it being the most efficient, as with only 1 black 1 in the deck of 70 cards, you wont have to spend extra clues on this very often and just some nice 1's played asap.
The other side of the coin is that if black 1 is on chop, we must save it with a 1 clue, so at first glance it would seem playing them from left now might be more logical, but with deeper thought, this should not trump the above point. So if its the 2nd turn and you are deciding which 1 to play, you just have to stall so there is time to warn you from playing your right 1.
Another valid reason is that there is a greater chance of being able to give a color clue to play 1's to stop them playing chop 1 first ie:
r1 m3 y2 bk1
but if bk1 m3 y2 r1 and your convention is to play 1's from the left you cant, and just allowing to lose r1 is also bad.
IMO playing 1's from the right is still the most logical, and only change this if someone gives you a repeated 1 clue or color info to stop.
This mainly comes down to it being the most efficient, as with only 1 black 1 in the deck of 70 cards, you wont have to spend extra clues on this very often and just some nice 1's played asap.
The other side of the coin is that if black 1 is on chop, we must save it with a 1 clue, so at first glance it would seem playing them from left now might be more logical, but with deeper thought, this should not trump the above point. So if its the 2nd turn and you are deciding which 1 to play, you just have to stall so there is time to warn you from playing your right 1.
Another valid reason is that there is a greater chance of being able to give a color clue to play 1's to stop them playing chop 1 first ie:
r1 m3 y2 bk1
but if bk1 m3 y2 r1 and your convention is to play 1's from the left you cant, and just allowing to lose r1 is also bad.
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- ↳ Potions of Azerland
- ↳ Naishi
- ↳ The Boss
- ↳ Assyria
- ↳ Biomes of Nilgiris
- ↳ Belladone Bluff
- ↳ Shock! Knights & Poisons
- ↳ abalone
- ↳ After Us
- ↳ Scriptoria
- ↳ Cat in the Box: Deluxe Edition
- ↳ Mate
- ↳ Pyrga
- ↳ Mijnlieff
- ↳ Arctic
- ↳ Scopa
- ↳ Mercado de Lisboa
- ↳ Oh-Seven
- ↳ 1000
- ↳ Legions
- ↳ Stupor Mundi
- ↳ Evo: The "Game no Name"
- ↳ Go-Stop
- ↳ Quartz: The Dice Game
- ↳ Festival
- ↳ Pyramido: Forgotten Treasures
- ↳ Kiri-ai: The Duel
- ↳ Pylos
- ↳ Cairo Corridor
- ↳ Giraffe Raffe
- ↳ Vault A Solitaire Dice Game
- ↳ Dice Theme Park
- ↳ Verso
- ↳ Fruit Picking
- ↳ Panda Rei
- ↳ Now Boarding
- ↳ Tang Hu Lu
- ↳ Botanicus
- ↳ Red7
- ↳ March of the Crab
- ↳ Lady's Choice
- ↳ Ninjan
- ↳ Misty
- ↳ Abra Chadabra
- ↳ VektoRace
- ↳ Linkage
- ↳ Lines of Action
- ↳ Sail
- ↳ Bobail
- ↳ Cuttle
- ↳ sparts
- ↳ Armadöra
- ↳ Tortuga 1667
- ↳ Gosu X
- ↳ River of Gold
- ↳ Jump Gate
- ↳ Odicey
- ↳ Jokerball
- ↳ LUZ
- ↳ Samarkand
- ↳ Durak
- ↳ Wizards Cup
- ↳ Art Thief
- ↳ Kokeshi
- ↳ Coupell
- ↳ Lumen: The Lost World
- ↳ Go Fish
- ↳ Quetzal
- ↳ Golfie
- ↳ Tranquility
- ↳ Dédale
- ↳ Resolve
- ↳ Envelopes of Cash
- ↳ Crisps
- ↳ Stalk exchange
- ↳ Sir Ocelot's cave
- ↳ Claim
- ↳ Shifting Stones
- ↳ Quarto
- ↳ Art Decko
- ↳ Age of Civilization
- ↳ Mesos
- ↳ Hidden Leaders
- ↳ Yokai
- ↳ Battle of LITS
- ↳ Conspiracy
- ↳ Dice Hospital: ER – Emergency Roll
- ↳ Let's Catch the Lion!
- ↳ Luxor
- ↳ Forks: 2nd Edition
- ↳ Color Pop
- ↳ Scratch and Catch
- ↳ Qu4to
- ↳ Cephalopod
- ↳ Tablut
- ↳ 12 Chip Trick
- ↳ icecoldicehockey
- ↳ Cucumber
- ↳ German Whist
- ↳ Shogun
- ↳ Oriflamme
- ↳ Bower
- ↳ Verona Twist
- ↳ Balloon Pop!
- ↳ None Shall Pass!
- ↳ District Noir
- ↳ It's a Wonderful Kingdom
- ↳ Refuge
- ↳ Seikatsu
- ↳ Applejack
- ↳ The Itty Bitty Card Game
- ↳ Treos
- ↳ Kulami
- ↳ Happy City
- ↳ Paper World
- ↳ Coin Age
- ↳ Trailblazers
- ↳ Roll Into Town
- ↳ The Hanging Gardens
- ↳ Dungeon Rummy
- ↳ Road to 300
- ↳ Circle of Life
- ↳ Kingscraft
- ↳ Caper: Europe
- ↳ President
- ↳ Gomoku
- ↳ GoldnCrash
- ↳ Takara Island
- ↳ Sherlock 13
- ↳ Choconnect
- ↳ Mapmaker: The Gerrymandering Game
- ↳ The Jelly Monster Lab
- ↳ Shut the Box
- ↳ Tiwanaku
- ↳ China Gold
- ↳ Ginkgopolis
- ↳ Mythicals the boardgame
- ↳ Seotda
- ↳ Dragon Castle
- ↳ Bug
- ↳ Bunny Drops
- ↳ Sfynx
- ↳ Classified Information
- ↳ Little Factory
- ↳ Metro
- ↳ Thurn and Taxis
- ↳ Cake Master
- ↳ Sneferu: Builders of the Pyramids
- ↳ Pocket Cats
- ↳ Orion Duel
- ↳ Propuh
- ↳ Piratas!
- ↳ Streetcar
- ↳ Mind Up!
- ↳ Blooms
- ↳ Diamonds
- ↳ The Last
- ↳ Con Sonar!
- ↳ Love Links
- ↳ Caravan
- ↳ Moon River
- ↳ Jekyll vs. Hyde
- ↳ Sergeant Major
- ↳ ECK
- ↳ Battlegammon
- ↳ Via Magica
- ↳ Expeditions: around the world
- ↳ Newton
- ↳ EKONOS
- ↳ Mexica
- ↳ 42
- ↳ Cosmos: Empires
- ↳ Architects of Amytis
- ↳ Tiny Turbo Cars
- ↳ Ekko
- ↳ Kami
- ↳ Karvi
- ↳ Crazy Farmers
- ↳ Masters of Renaissance: Lorenzo il Magnifico – The Card Game
- ↳ Siam
- ↳ Aniversus
- ↳ Uptown
- ↳ Kabaleo
- ↳ Qamgo
- ↳ Hex
- ↳ Nibble
- ↳ Medina
- ↳ Room 25
- ↳ Duck & Cover
- ↳ Simplicity
- ↳ Buttons
- ↳ Big Two
- ↳ Kahuna
- ↳ Hadara
- ↳ Ynaros Fallin
- ↳ Skate Legend
- ↳ Finca
- ↳ Calypso
- ↳ Bacon
- ↳ Age of Champagne
- ↳ Tulip & Rose
- ↳ L'Oracle B.A-BET
- ↳ Ultimate Tic-Tac-Toe
- ↳ Battle Spirits Saga
- ↳ Veletas
- ↳ GOLDblivion
- ↳ Zola
- ↳ Quirky Quarks
- ↳ 99 (trick-taking card game)
- ↳ Elfenland
- ↳ Apocalypse au Zoo de Carson City
- ↳ High Season
- ↳ Flaming Pyramids
- ↳ Oxono
- ↳ Equinox
- ↳ Connect6
- ↳ Illustori
- ↳ Sahwari
- ↳ Dicy Cards
- ↳ Geek Out! Masters
- ↳ The Gnomes of Zavandor
- ↳ Forever Home
- ↳ Neom
- ↳ SetUp
- ↳ Steam Works
- ↳ On Tour
- ↳ Spring Cleaning
- ↳ Ice and the Sky
- ↳ Zefiria
- ↳ Konane
- ↳ Homesteaders
- ↳ The King's Guild
- ↳ 3000 Scoundrels
- ↳ Florenza: The Card Game
- ↳ Thermopyles
- ↳ The Fox in the Forest: Duet
- ↳ Power Vacuum
- ↳ Vault A Den of Thieves
- ↳ Coal Baron
- ↳ Unrest
- ↳ Okanagan: Valley of the Lakes
- ↳ Nacho Pile
- ↳ Hack Trick
- ↳ That Time You Killed Me
- ↳ Sobek
- ↳ Yaniv
- ↳ Almadi
- ↳ Looot
- ↳ Romi Rami
- ↳ Forage
- ↳ Batalla de Coronas
- ↳ Solar Storm
- ↳ Loco Momo
- ↳ Cardiceo
- ↳ GrumbleStone
- ↳ Trike
- ↳ Legendary Inventors
- ↳ Koryŏ
- ↳ That's Life!
- ↳ Lielow
- ↳ Dark Agent
- ↳ Flowers: A Mandala Game
- ↳ Solo Whist
- ↳ Copenhagen
- ↳ HUND
- ↳ Flip Freighters
- ↳ Sapiens
- ↳ Boreal
- ↳ Eminent Domain: Microcosm
- ↳ Maps of Misterra
- ↳ Micro Midgard
- ↳ All In
- ↳ OASIS New Hope
- ↳ Castles of Caleira
- ↳ Goblin Hood
- ↳ For the King (and Me)
- ↳ Starship Merchants
- ↳ Evergreen
- ↳ Boomerang: Australia
- ↳ Once Upon A Forest
- ↳ Megalomania
- ↳ Caribbean All Fours
- ↳ Cradle to Grave
- ↳ Le Roy des Ribauds
- ↳ Palace
- ↳ Dice Summoners
- ↳ Divercité
- ↳ The Battle for Hill 218
- ↳ Yokai Septet
- ↳ Astra
- ↳ Insert
- ↳ Niagara
- ↳ gaia
- ↳ Number Drop
- ↳ Rest In Peace
- ↳ Vidrasso
- ↳ The Ruhr: A Story of Coal Trade
- ↳ United Square
- ↳ Noir: Killer versus Inspector
- ↳ Diced Tomatoes
- ↳ The Builders: Antiquity
- ↳ Meridians
- ↳ Barbu
- ↳ Dinosaur Tea Party
- ↳ Origin
- ↳ Exit Strategy
- ↳ Boss Quest
- ↳ Expedition: Northwest Passage
- ↳ Through the Ages
- ↳ 24/7: The Game
- ↳ Whist 22
- ↳ Gift of Tulips
- ↳ Volfyirion Guilds
- ↳ Zuuli
- ↳ FIKA
- ↳ Don't Go In There
- ↳ Vaalbara
- ↳ Humanity
- ↳ Neutreeko
- ↳ Hawaii
- ↳ Xanadu
- ↳ Murus Gallicus
- ↳ Colorado
- ↳ The Mother Road: Route 66
- ↳ Secret Moon
- ↳ Diablo
- ↳ Nain Jaune
- ↳ HUGO
- ↳ Robots Ate Our Pizza
- ↳ I'm The Boss
- ↳ Empire Plateau: The Lateral Thinking Tactical Strategy Wargame
- ↳ Micro Dojo
- ↳ Ghost At Home
- ↳ Rift Valley Reserve
- ↳ Legend Raiders
- ↳ Betta
- ↳ Streets
- ↳ cucco
- ↳ Hypnosia
- ↳ Mia
- ↳ Crime Zoom: A Dirty Objective
- ↳ Oust
- ↳ Line It
- ↳ Crypt
- ↳ Silo
- ↳ Knockout Whist
- ↳ Legends of Hellas
- ↳ Las Vegan
- ↳ Raubbau
- ↳ Tucano
- ↳ Lifeline
- ↳ Rive
- ↳ Sensei
- ↳ Hungarian Tarokk
- ↳ Impasse
- ↳ Drones vs Seagulls
- ↳ Stir Fry Eighteen
- ↳ Trusis
- ↳ Gosu
- ↳ Look at the Stars
- ↳ Schrödinger's Cats
- ↳ Cubosaurs
- ↳ Canosa
- ↳ Hydroracers
- ↳ Yin Yang
- ↳ Fairy Trails
- ↳ Veggie Garden
- ↳ mow
- ↳ Chocolate Factory
- ↳ 8 Masters' Revenge
- ↳ Noah
- ↳ Amyitis
- ↳ Signorie
- ↳ Injawara
- ↳ Regidice
- ↳ Pedro
- ↳ Factum
- ↳ Kingdoms
- ↳ Baby Dinosaur Rescue
- ↳ Vege Tables
- ↳ Egocentric World
- ↳ EpiZodiak
- ↳ Blue Skies
- ↳ Fai-fo
- ↳ Sobek 2 players
- ↳ Senshi
- ↳ Big Monster
- ↳ Small Islands
- ↳ Lineae
- ↳ Mascarade
- ↳ Dragon Keeper: The Dungeon
- ↳ Icebreaker
- ↳ Yspahan
- ↳ Iwari
- ↳ Nicodemus
- ↳ Eruption
- ↳ Troyes Dice
- ↳ Morocco
- ↳ SteamRollers
- ↳ Blaze
- ↳ Madeira
- ↳ Exploration: Warzone
- ↳ Tea Time
- ↳ Zener
- ↳ Penalty Challenge
- ↳ EVL
- ↳ Lost Explorers
- ↳ Herrlof
- ↳ Turn the tide
- ↳ Off the Rails
- ↳ Krosmaster Blast
- ↳ Grand Bazaar
- ↳ Grosstarock
- ↳ Trick of the Rails
- ↳ Rolled West
- ↳ NXS
- ↳ Hoarders
- ↳ Saint Poker
- ↳ Bombay
- ↳ Nautilus
- ↳ Cinco
- ↳ Gopher
- ↳ The Void
- ↳ Metromania
- ↳ Guildes
- ↳ KQJ
- ↳ Phat
- ↳ Penny Press
- ↳ Quantik
- ↳ Mammalath
- ↳ Uncle Chestnut's Table Gype
- ↳ ToeShamBo
- ↳ Biyi
- ↳ Nanga Parbat
- ↳ Diam's
- ↳ Coup
- ↳ Gear & Piston
- ↳ GORami
- ↳ Dragon Line
- ↳ Outlaws: Last Man Standing
- ↳ Tiki
- ↳ Gygès
- ↳ Khronos
- ↳ Outlaws: Last Man Standing
- ↳ 15 Days
- ↳ 15 Jours en France
- ↳ 5Pairs
- ↳ A Fistful of Gold
- ↳ APEX
- ↳ AVES
- ↳ Alakablast
- ↳ Amazonas
- ↳ Apocalypse au Zoo de Carson City
- ↳ Arabella
- ↳ Auntie Mildred's list of random tasks
- ↳ Aurum
- ↳ Bamboozle
- ↳ Battleships Pencil & Paper
- ↳ Bauer
- ↳ Bebop
- ↳ Bids
- ↳ Blast Radius
- ↳ Block Arena
- ↳ Blooms
- ↳ Blot
- ↳ Bug Off
- ↳ Bunny Boom
- ↳ CATsle Builder
- ↳ Cannonades
- ↳ Capybara'n'Capyabara
- ↳ Carcassonne
- ↳ Cassino
- ↳ Chandigarh
- ↳ Cheez-Tricks
- ↳ Churn
- ↳ Circle Of Life: on the Savannah
- ↳ Coins
- ↳ Coloretto
- ↳ Confusing Lands
- ↳ Cookie battle
- ↳ Crash
- ↳ Crits & Tricks
- ↳ Custodian Dice
- ↳ Dance of Muses
- ↳ Deck EXPRESS: Tennessee Central
- ↳ Deck EXPRESS: Tennessee Central
- ↳ Deliverance
- ↳ Detective Poker
- ↳ Dickory
- ↳ Digging For Dinos
- ↳ Dobro
- ↳ Draft Cider
- ↳ Dragon Keeper, The Dungeon
- ↳ Dragonarium
- ↳ Enemy Anemone
- ↳ Eriantys
- ↳ Expressions
- ↳ Falconry
- ↳ Festi’vibes
- ↳ Fibonachos
- ↳ Fight the Landlord
- ↳ Finity
- ↳ Five Three Five
- ↳ Flockers
- ↳ Flume
- ↳ For-Ex
- ↳ Four Gardens
- ↳ Fox on the Tree
- ↳ GIPF
- ↳ Game of Trains
- ↳ Garden Nation
- ↳ Gems of Iridescia
- ↳ Get on Board: Paris & Roma
- ↳ Get the MacGuffin
- ↳ Go_sandboxversion
- ↳ Golems
- ↳ Good Fortune
- ↳ Greasy Spoon
- ↳ Group
- ↳ Grund
- ↳ Guile
- ↳ Gyges
- ↳ Hadron
- ↳ Hawaiian Hanafuda
- ↳ Heckin Hounds
- ↳ Herooj
- ↳ Hey! That's my fish
- ↳ Hypnosia
- ↳ Hội Phố (Second Edition)
- ↳ Isaac
- ↳ Kaiser
- ↳ Kani Nari Ebi
- ↳ Khronos
- ↳ Kinapa
- ↳ Kmakici Family's greatest teatime
- ↳ Knister
- ↳ Kraken Up
- ↳ Les toits de Paris
- ↳ Lewis & Clark
- ↳ Livingstone
- ↳ Logger
- ↳ Lunar
- ↳ Maatatahay
- ↳ Malabares
- ↳ Mango
- ↳ Mattock
- ↳ Meadow
- ↳ Metz
- ↳ Mighty
- ↳ Minefield
- ↳ Minhwatu
- ↳ Mod Ten
- ↳ Monster Factory
- ↳ Monster Hex
- ↳ Monster Smash
- ↳ Moolight: The Land of the Wolves
- ↳ Mutant Crops
- ↳ Nap
- ↳ Narabi
- ↳ Neon Reign
- ↳ Nylon-ppong
- ↳ ONE
- ↳ Olenon
- ↳ Onda
- ↳ Open Season
- ↳ Paikō
- ↳ Palourde
- ↳ Park Life
- ↳ Penny Press
- ↳ Persona Non Grata
- ↳ Pescado Novo
- ↳ Piepmatz
- ↳ Pier 18
- ↳ Piles!
- ↳ Pirates Under Fire
- ↳ Pook
- ↳ Positano
- ↳ Puerto Rico
- ↳ Quest Inc.
- ↳ Quiltable
- ↳ Quinque
- ↳ Quintus
- ↳ Race for the Galaxy
- ↳ Redstone
- ↳ Relative Space
- ↳ Roppyakken
- ↳ Rowdy Partners
- ↳ Rumble Planet
- ↳ Safari Witness
- ↳ Savanna Ten
- ↳ Scratch and Catch
- ↳ Scream Park
- ↳ Sea Shells
- ↳ Seven Knights Bewitched
- ↳ Sheep Boom Bah
- ↳ Skirmish: Battle for Draconia
- ↳ Sobek 2 players
- ↳ Soulaween
- ↳ Spellcrafter
- ↳ Splitter
- ↳ Squadro
- ↳ Stigméria
- ↳ Stonks
- ↳ Strategic Reserve
- ↳ Strawberry Sunset
- ↳ Sunrise Sunset
- ↳ Suspeição
- ↳ Tapas
- ↳ The Battle for Hill 218
- ↳ The Great American Fox Hunt
- ↳ The Great Split
- ↳ The King of the Woods
- ↳ The Little Flower Shop
- ↳ The Nine Domains
- ↳ Tholos
- ↳ Thrive
- ↳ Tien Len
- ↳ Time Splicers
- ↳ Tiny Farms
- ↳ Toepen
- ↳ Tomatoss
- ↳ TriATri
- ↳ Trickarus
- ↳ Troggu
- ↳ Twin Palms
- ↳ Two-Ten-Jack
- ↳ Unane
- ↳ Up or Down?
- ↳ Vegetable Stock
- ↳ Verdant Arizona
- ↳ Via Gladiola
- ↳ Vizia
- ↳ Waddle
- ↳ Wana
- ↳ Whist
- ↳ Word Traveler
- ↳ Xxung
- ↳ Yoxii
- ↳ Zookeepers
- ↳ Àiyé
- ↳ Écarté