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Faiz Ali
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Le Havre

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Hello, if I understand correctly BGA has been given permission by Lookout Games to develop their games.

Would it be possible then to list Le Havre under the "available licenses" section in BGA Studio so that developers are aware that it is available to develop?

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Faiz Ali wrote: 11 May 2022, 00:11 Hello, if I understand correctly BGA has been given permission by Lookout Games to develop their games.
I'm not sure where you get this information from. Maybe you know something I don't, but this information certainly isn't publicly available.

Note that just because one or more games published by Lookout are currently on BGA, does NOT mean that there is a blanket licence for any game they publish, or have ever published. I am fairly ignorant of how licensing agreements are made but I'm pretty sure that usually the licence is needed for an individual game, not just all games of a specific publisher. (Of course a publisher may decide to grant permission to BGA to adapt all their titles, but I don't think that's common.)

Finally, it's possible that the game is being adapted but BGA or the publisher has asked for one specific developer to do it as a paid job, and in such cases the game is not added to the licence list on BGA studio precisely to avoid other would-be-developers seeing it there and thinking it's OK for them to start adapting it.

I stress that I have zero knowledge of what the situation may be between Lookout and BGA, or regarding Le Havre - I'm just explaining some things that may be relevant.
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I have confirmation from Lookout Games that the license is available for BGA if it is requested, but by whom it must be requested is not clear, I'm assuming admin team. I can share the email confirmations with admin team if requested.
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Faiz Ali wrote: 11 May 2022, 20:31 I have confirmation from Lookout Games that the license is available for BGA if it is requested, but by whom it must be requested is not clear, I'm assuming admin team. I can share the email confirmations with admin team if requested.
I believe the havre is not open for community but will be made by a freelancer or a shared revenue model if premium. At least i heard about its availability a while back indeed, try asking Jurica about that.
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I don't know if I can legally share private email from Lookout Games, but they are saying the site can develop the game if it wants, as long as it's only for BGA use.
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Faiz Ali wrote: 19 May 2022, 02:19 I don't know if I can legally share private email from Lookout Games, but they are saying the site can develop the game if it wants, as long as it's only for BGA use.
That does not contradict my last statement
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What does freelance, open for community, and shared model mean? Does it mean that the game should not be listed in BGA Studio? I don't think the publisher cares how the game is developed, their only statement was that the game should not be on any site but BGA.

Do you know what is required to list a game on BGA Studio? I checked the profile for Jurica, but they have not been online since 2020, is there someone else to ask?
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Faiz Ali wrote: 19 May 2022, 19:30 What does freelance, open for community, and shared model mean? Does it mean that the game should not be listed in BGA Studio? I don't think the publisher cares how the game is developed, their only statement was that the game should not be on any site but BGA.

Do you know what is required to list a game on BGA Studio? I checked the profile for Jurica, but they have not been online since 2020, is there someone else to ask?
Jurica is one of the admins, joezg is this username. He is the one in charge of the community of developpers.
https://boardgamearena.com/team

Here is what is the typical process when a publisher grants a license for BGA :
- if the game is not going to be premium, then probably the license will be open for volonteer community to dev, since in that case the publisher won't receive anything so is likely to not want to pay a developper, and BGA is not going to invest money in it either, because it won't make more people premium, which is their main source of revenue
- if the game is going to be premium (which means the publisher with have some share) :
* either the publisher wants to invest money to hire a developper (which means the share will be a bit bigger, but it takes the risk in this case), and in this case either the publisher finds someone directly, or ask BGA to find someone, which in this case usually mean it's going to be listed on the license page with the "money" logo (unless Jurica has someone in mind and will propose the contract to that person first)
* either the publisher does not want to invest money but BGA is willing to (which means the share will be bigger for BGA, but again they take the risk in this case), and in this situation BGA will try to minimize risk/issue and often propose freelance contract to specific developpers according to the project size/complexity. So in that case the license will not be listed in the license page.
* lastly, if no one is really to invest, then developpers can take the risk and in which case they will get some part of the share (since they are the ones taking the risk now). Depending on the complexity/fame of the game, the game can either be listed on the license page with the premium logo (but without the money logo since it's not a freelance contract), or BGA will directly propose it to some specific developpers.

There are of course way more possible scenarios, not even speaking of licenses for which IT is a complete mess.
So in this case, I would say the fame of the game is big enough so that BGA wants to have a word about the dev, weither it's going to be a freelance contract or a shared revenue developpement.
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Thanks, I'll follow up with Jurica.
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