Can we choose random amount of players?? Every time i go to a game page where i push start it puts two players, so i need to choose manually if i want to change the number ... But no choice as whatever amount. Anyway maybe the idea of this lobby is great but it has so many issues...
New lobby (integrated to game page)
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Matt C 1970
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Re: New lobby (integrated to game page)
I do not like the new lobby. It is ugly, confusing, has poor flow, and works poorly. BGA typically has excellent design and user interfaces. Something weird has happened here.
I am quite sure BGA could have pursued the goal of making games more accessible for new users (a goal I support, BTW) without doing this. Well, it is what it is.
Can we get a setting in user preferences to always use the old lobby for games we are hosting?
If the old lobby is going to be taken away eventually (as I suspect), can BGA commit to keeping the old lobby around until the new lobby has 100% feature parity and reliability with the old one? I can get used to a bad interface as long as it allows me to start the same kind of games with my friends somehow.
I am quite sure BGA could have pursued the goal of making games more accessible for new users (a goal I support, BTW) without doing this. Well, it is what it is.
Can we get a setting in user preferences to always use the old lobby for games we are hosting?
If the old lobby is going to be taken away eventually (as I suspect), can BGA commit to keeping the old lobby around until the new lobby has 100% feature parity and reliability with the old one? I can get used to a bad interface as long as it allows me to start the same kind of games with my friends somehow.
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silentProtest
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Re: New lobby (integrated to game page)
No offense, but I really need to say - THIS IS HORRIBLE -->
Not only gives THIS less overview and less (obvious) game settings, since THAT some of the games hosted do not appear in manual selection! (just saw and retested it, when someone in my friend list hosted a normal game, with no access restrictions)
at least dont kill or cripple the old (manual) search and host page....-.-
PS: I'm really not someone to post complaints like this (else there would be a long list already on this forum) - but THIS really needed an outcry for how bad and limiting it is (even if pretty... but more useless)
Not only gives THIS less overview and less (obvious) game settings, since THAT some of the games hosted do not appear in manual selection! (just saw and retested it, when someone in my friend list hosted a normal game, with no access restrictions)
at least dont kill or cripple the old (manual) search and host page....-.-
PS: I'm really not someone to post complaints like this (else there would be a long list already on this forum) - but THIS really needed an outcry for how bad and limiting it is (even if pretty... but more useless)
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RicardoRix
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Re: New lobby (integrated to game page)
really just struggled to open an alpha game. There is no 'create' a table button. Just went round in a endless loop on the 'play now' page.
https://imgur.com/a/Cz5kYYW
Had to manually search for the game to go to the game page to then create a table. That is a mess.
I don't really know why this functionality has been brought to the game page. It doesn't remember that I play turn-based games.
I think players just wanted a 'Play' button from the game page that would take them straight to the 'Play Now' lobby with that particular game open and showing tables.
Every interaction I've had with this new feature now feels like you're swimming up hill just to start a game.
https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28139
It's really not clear what you're aiming for, so it's not possible to offer solutions, only tell you it's not working. And this is far from finished and should go back into 'testing'.
It's all the links/transitions to and from places that is broken.
[Edit: Just tried again and the 'create' button is there now, but it wasn't after initially joining a new alpha game group].
https://imgur.com/a/Cz5kYYW
Had to manually search for the game to go to the game page to then create a table. That is a mess.
I don't really know why this functionality has been brought to the game page. It doesn't remember that I play turn-based games.
I think players just wanted a 'Play' button from the game page that would take them straight to the 'Play Now' lobby with that particular game open and showing tables.
Every interaction I've had with this new feature now feels like you're swimming up hill just to start a game.
https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28139
It's really not clear what you're aiming for, so it's not possible to offer solutions, only tell you it's not working. And this is far from finished and should go back into 'testing'.
It's all the links/transitions to and from places that is broken.
[Edit: Just tried again and the 'create' button is there now, but it wasn't after initially joining a new alpha game group].
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CanuckEddie
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- Joined: 02 August 2013, 21:27
Re: New lobby (integrated to game page)
Another bug: accepting a rematch just dropped me to the new table create page while that game is now on my open games list.
....some of these strike me as urgent fixes/reasons to roll back to the release until its tested more fully, but I sure don't see a lot of attention being paid? BGA are you reading these?
....some of these strike me as urgent fixes/reasons to roll back to the release until its tested more fully, but I sure don't see a lot of attention being paid? BGA are you reading these?
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GeraldineMerida
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Re: New lobby (integrated to game page)
I had exactly this problem yesterday, but today can create a new alpha game, so maybe this is one bug that has got fixed.RicardoRix wrote: ↑10 December 2022, 12:10 really just struggled to open an alpha game. There is no 'create' a table button. Just went round in a endless loop on the 'play now' page.
https://imgur.com/a/Cz5kYYW
Had to manually search for the game to go to the game page to then create a table. That is a mess.
I don't really know why this functionality has been brought to the game page. It doesn't remember that I play turn-based games.
I think players just wanted a 'Play' button from the game page that would take them straight to the 'Play Now' lobby with that particular game open and showing tables.
Every interaction I've had with this new feature now feels like you're swimming up hill just to start a game.
https://boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28139
It's really not clear what you're aiming for, so it's not possible to offer solutions, only tell you it's not working. And this is far from finished and should go back into 'testing'.
It's all the links/transitions to and from places that is broken.
[Edit: Just tried again and the 'create' button is there now, but it wasn't after initially joining a new alpha game group].
In general, I agree with you though: it took me over 5 minutes to create one 'no time limit' game with a friend yesterday, favouriting a game I didn't want to favourite, just so I could find it on the Play Now page, and doing a lot of other pointless clicking I never had to do before. (The colourful new slide bar for timings does not seem to include 'no time limit'.)
I see that the attractive new layout may draw new users in, but does it actually 'work' well even for their needs?
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carnepazza
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- Joined: 18 March 2020, 22:03
Re: New lobby (integrated to game page)
Hello,
The feeling you have using the new lobby is that it was created by someone who doesn’t often use or has never used BGA.
Now I will explain in detail, in my opinion, why the new lobby is confused, isn’t very usable and not working very well.
I’ll try to be specific:
1) the new mode for tables creation has removed and/or made difficult to find some necessary and useful information.
For example: the information of the players in the table are greatly reduced, you have to click on the player to get in the information (such as karma, spoken languages, etc. Which however remain always less than those displayed in the previous lobby).
But why I must click on every single player to find that info? This is very uncomfortable. That information are important, you need to see it immediately.
- Another information that you cannot see in with this new lobby is people sitting around the table, which has always been very useful.
- Creating tables with the new lobby is very uncomfortable also because you have to go down on the page to see all the game settings. All I want is just to play and not waste time, I do not care to see first the huge logo of the game and the large and cluttered graphics of the table (I already know what I’m playing, don’t need the sings, lol).
I want something functional even if it means simple.
The same when you join a table. You no longer see all the necessary info (like the game settings), now you have to scroll down the page to see it and then you do not have time to add to the game.
Also when you’re looking for a table to join you can’t see if there’s a karma limit, or other restrictions in that table. The information are very limited but they are essential info to know instead.
- It became very uncomfortable also to get out of a table or to eliminate player(s) from a table. Why I must click on a player and then click (again) for eliminate that player? Sometimes even in the old lobby there was no time that immediately starts the game, here you must click 2 times, there is no time that starts the game immediately and then only confusion.
Now it has become difficult also to delete or get out form a table created by yourself, only after several attempts you succeed.
2) when I click on this button
it opens a table of a totally random game and not the table I am preparing or in which I am invited, it makes no sense and is very annoying.
3) the friend list no longer works well, it never actually inform you about what your friends are doing. It happens that a player seems free, and then instead that player is already playing a game, or is waiting for starting a game, or the list tell u the players is free but he/she is playing, in any case this information NEVER checks correct.
4) every time you finish a game and return to the lobby, the page freezes and you need to make a refresh of the page or even close the page and open a new one (I asked other people and I am not the only one).
In my opinion it makes no sense adding things maybe graphically beautiful but useless or confusing and most of all that do not work well (even things that used to work first).
Maybe it’s better to penalize the graphics but have efficiency (if it is not possible have both).
I understand the importance of evolving and updating but the new features are penalizing the BGA’s functions and the gaming experience that before has always been immediate, practical and enjoyable.
I hope that these feedback can improve the site, because I like and use BGA a lot.
Thanks
The feeling you have using the new lobby is that it was created by someone who doesn’t often use or has never used BGA.
Now I will explain in detail, in my opinion, why the new lobby is confused, isn’t very usable and not working very well.
I’ll try to be specific:
1) the new mode for tables creation has removed and/or made difficult to find some necessary and useful information.
For example: the information of the players in the table are greatly reduced, you have to click on the player to get in the information (such as karma, spoken languages, etc. Which however remain always less than those displayed in the previous lobby).
But why I must click on every single player to find that info? This is very uncomfortable. That information are important, you need to see it immediately.
- Another information that you cannot see in with this new lobby is people sitting around the table, which has always been very useful.
- Creating tables with the new lobby is very uncomfortable also because you have to go down on the page to see all the game settings. All I want is just to play and not waste time, I do not care to see first the huge logo of the game and the large and cluttered graphics of the table (I already know what I’m playing, don’t need the sings, lol).
I want something functional even if it means simple.
The same when you join a table. You no longer see all the necessary info (like the game settings), now you have to scroll down the page to see it and then you do not have time to add to the game.
Also when you’re looking for a table to join you can’t see if there’s a karma limit, or other restrictions in that table. The information are very limited but they are essential info to know instead.
- It became very uncomfortable also to get out of a table or to eliminate player(s) from a table. Why I must click on a player and then click (again) for eliminate that player? Sometimes even in the old lobby there was no time that immediately starts the game, here you must click 2 times, there is no time that starts the game immediately and then only confusion.
Now it has become difficult also to delete or get out form a table created by yourself, only after several attempts you succeed.
2) when I click on this button
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3) the friend list no longer works well, it never actually inform you about what your friends are doing. It happens that a player seems free, and then instead that player is already playing a game, or is waiting for starting a game, or the list tell u the players is free but he/she is playing, in any case this information NEVER checks correct.
4) every time you finish a game and return to the lobby, the page freezes and you need to make a refresh of the page or even close the page and open a new one (I asked other people and I am not the only one).
In my opinion it makes no sense adding things maybe graphically beautiful but useless or confusing and most of all that do not work well (even things that used to work first).
Maybe it’s better to penalize the graphics but have efficiency (if it is not possible have both).
I understand the importance of evolving and updating but the new features are penalizing the BGA’s functions and the gaming experience that before has always been immediate, practical and enjoyable.
I hope that these feedback can improve the site, because I like and use BGA a lot.
Thanks
Re: New lobby (integrated to game page)
I completely agree with the previous poster. This is a horrible new UI practice. Wasting space on the UI for no reason. Functionality suffers as you have to scroll more and look around on the screen. Especially with large screens. And then you are making the features worse for the experienced user overall. You want the UI to be FAST and easy to use. This is not. It is maybe easy to learn but there is not much to learn anyway.
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RicardoRix
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Re: New lobby (integrated to game page)
A very accurate in-sight. For BGA staff, the biggest interaction with the site they have are infrequent private games they make with each other. This is the biggest (and on-going) problem I can see with BGA.carnepazza wrote: ↑13 December 2022, 16:11 The feeling you have using the new lobby is that it was created by someone who doesn’t often use or has never used BGA.
The same kind of problem is true for tournaments and arena as well. It's quite noticeable for a lot of different reasons that if BGA actually used the site like a regular user, they wouldn't leave it in the state it is in.
The user experience can often be terrible. And there is no way of knowing if things will ever improve because BGA will never experience it. The bugs and suggestions is way over-loaded and past redemption for this type of use. (Works OK for games that are actively developed).
It means that as a regular user you learn the 'tricks' to avoid the worse of it, and at times you forget the trick and get hit in the face again, it's just reminder of the fact: yeah, what do BGA know (or care?) - you've just joined the legion of complainers that will never be heard.
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Sheba-leila
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Re: New lobby (integrated to game page)
Für was ist das gut das jetzt unter den Level Auswahl noch viele sind.z.b. beginnen bis Master das ist doch erledigt wenn ich mein Spiellevel eingebe. Für mich total sinnlos und man muss dann bei jedem spiel das man schon spielte neu anpassen. Ich möchte nur spielen und nicht vorher unnötige Dinge erledigen und bei einer revange muss man einladen dann kommt man auf neue Seite dann spiel beginnen beide dann spiel starten . Vorher war es 1 click. Was ist sehr nutzen für sowas? Ich würde das gerne verstehen können. Sie müssen sich ja was dabei gedacht haben warum das eine Verbesserung sein soll.