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Re: Can we stop saying 'gg' when It clearly wasn't!

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TsPeacock wrote: 05 May 2024, 03:24
zeitmike wrote: 03 May 2024, 13:27 I fully accept that there is an element of me being a bad loser here, but please can we all stop saying 'gg' or whatever when you've just destroyed me at 100 points to 0.

It wasn't a good game in this circumstances - it clearly was no challenge for you, and no fun for me.
Telling me how great-that-was, is really rubbing salt in the wound and just being a bit of a patronising ****!

anyone else feel like this?!

sincerely,
bad-at-lots-of-games.
It's so trite, condescending and disingenuous. As is "Good luck and have fun!"
When I say "good luck and have fun," I mean it. I'm sorry you don't have people in your life who mean it. Being offended by it is a choice.

Also, when playing a pure abstract game with perfect information, I say "have fun" because luck isn't involved.
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Re: Can we stop saying 'gg' when It clearly wasn't!

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While I'm not personally offended by anyone saying any of these things, I will say that it feels like a lot of these are said by rote and not actually meant - this isn't necessarily a bad thing, we do it all the time. The cashier who tells you to have a nice day is saying it by rote. You may not care much about what a workmate you barely know did on the weekend, but you might ask them about it while you're riding an elevator up with them to your office. They're social conventions, and I don't really have a problem with doing them, though in all honesty, in my mind I find them a bit of a waste of time. I was told once that this may be part of my makeup as an introvert, which means I may find social interactions tiring, and honestly, I do find it a struggle making small talk (and so there are times when I don't ask my workmate about their weekend, but I will still respond politely if they ask me).

That said, I personally reserve the sentiment of "gg" for games I actually thought were good, hard fought, well-played, etc. Typically these are close games, but there's nothing to say that (as another player mentioned), someone who makes an effort to come back to at least a reasonable score after tanking badly in the first few turns couldn't be acknowledged as playing a good game as well. Whatever that means for you. If you want to say it on every game, sure. I do also tend to respond back where people say it to me, as I feel an expectation (from myself) to do so. Although if it's been more than 2 hours since the game concluded and they posted their message, I don't worry about it, because when I get those random messages hours after a game ends, I just find them confusing and annoying. I also don't respond to "gl hf" with the same, as I feel like doing that would be disingenuous, because I'm only saying it because they do (I don't usually initiate it).

I will admit (and have said this before) that when I find myself matched against the same player (eg. in Arena) for 3+ games in a row, and each time they open with "gl hf" and close with "gg", with no changes to interactions, I start to find them disingenuous, and at that point I'm pretty sure they're said by rote, and not really meant. Others have pointed out that maybe my opponent hasn't noticed that they're playing the same person again, and if they have multiple tables (especially of the same game), that's probably fair enough. The thing is, everyone has their own style of play, and while I'm sure that there are things that are said as pleasantries and not well-considered (and perhaps shouldn't be said in some cases as they can come off as passive aggressive), is it really that big of a deal? And I have a similar reaction to those who post threads bemoaning the lack of conversation (or even pleasantries) as some indication that society has gone to the dogs. Do what makes you happy, and unless people are outright insulting to you, you should probably give them the benefit of the doubt as generally good people who just want to play games (much like you, one assumes).
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Re: Can we stop saying 'gg' when It clearly wasn't!

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zeitmike wrote: 03 May 2024, 13:27 I fully accept that there is an element of me being a bad loser here, but please can we all stop saying 'gg' or whatever when you've just destroyed me at 100 points to 0.

It wasn't a good game in this circumstances - it clearly was no challenge for you, and no fun for me.
Telling me how great-that-was, is really rubbing salt in the wound and just being a bit of a patronising ****!

anyone else feel like this?!

sincerely,
bad-at-lots-of-games.
And what you do you wish they say instead?
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Re: Can we stop saying 'gg' when It clearly wasn't!

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JoysJoy wrote: 05 May 2024, 17:09
zeitmike wrote: 03 May 2024, 13:27 I fully accept that there is an element of me being a bad loser here, but please can we all stop saying 'gg' or whatever when you've just destroyed me at 100 points to 0.

It wasn't a good game in this circumstances - it clearly was no challenge for you, and no fun for me.
Telling me how great-that-was, is really rubbing salt in the wound and just being a bit of a patronising ****!

anyone else feel like this?!

sincerely,
bad-at-lots-of-games.
And what you do you wish they say instead?
Nothing.
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Re: Can we stop saying 'gg' when It clearly wasn't!

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When I was in elementary school, I was always taught that you should either say good game or offer a handshake after a tournament game (whether it be after a basketball game or a chess match). For me, regardless of the outcome, saying gg or 'good game' (my preference) is as close to shaking someone's hand at the end of the game.

What bothers me though is when you say good luck to someone or say something else in the chat to start and the person says nothing only to say good game before your last move after they've crushed you. At least say hello first. I'm not asking for a conversation, but considering the fair amount of people I've faced who said nothing all game and then closed the chat immediately after they lost, I sometimes feel it's a little disingenuous to not say hello and only mutter gg after a big win.
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Re: Can we stop saying 'gg' when It clearly wasn't!

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jamesgore wrote: 06 May 2024, 01:53 When I was in elementary school, I was always taught that you should either say good game or offer a handshake after a tournament game (whether it be after a basketball game or a chess match). For me, regardless of the outcome, saying gg or 'good game' (my preference) is as close to shaking someone's hand at the end of the game.

What bothers me though is when you say good luck to someone or say something else in the chat to start and the person says nothing only to say good game before your last move after they've crushed you. At least say hello first. I'm not asking for a conversation, but considering the fair amount of people I've faced who said nothing all game and then closed the chat immediately after they lost, I sometimes feel it's a little disingenuous to not say hello and only mutter gg after a big win.
I accept that playing semi-anonymously with absolutely zero social consequences to one's behavior except karma and red thumbing means no common social conventions can be expected to gain traction here. I just apply red thumbs copiously and try to shrug it off.
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Re: Can we stop saying 'gg' when It clearly wasn't!

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Can we stop making new 'gg' topics when there are clearly already lots of topics about this very subject?

Thank you.
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Re: Can we stop saying 'gg' when It clearly wasn't!

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T72on1 wrote: 06 May 2024, 07:49 Can we stop making new 'gg' topics when there are clearly already lots of topics about this very subject?

Thank you.
I mean, I don't entirely disagree with you, but is this significantly different than if the OP had dug out one of the old threads and posted their comment there instead? Common problems get regular discussion, and it's not like there's a single answer here that would end the discussion, there's lots of different perspectives (and often you get different people weighing in at different times).
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Re: Can we stop saying 'gg' when It clearly wasn't!

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Bray wrote: 03 May 2024, 16:47"gg" is a simple pleasantry that means "thank you for taking time out of your life to enjoy this activity with me". That's it.

If you want to project your own malicious meaning on top of that, that's your problem.
Trimpster wrote: 04 May 2024, 22:45 life is too short to get offended by gg
This is clearly the answer, but the wider social discussion is quite an interesting one.

I sometimes experience that feeling of being patronised when an opponent throws a "gg" at me after they win, but I understand it wasn't their intention, it's just a routine/polite thing that many players do. Nothing more than that. My feelings are my own problem.

Personally I'm one of those say nothing types, I only say "gg" if it was an exceptionally good game. I don't like throwing out the usual platitudes by rote, it feels inauthentic.

I do have a genuinee pet peev on this topic - the premature "gg". People saying "gg" before the game has actually ended, because they see that the game is over no matter what happens. The main reason is that if I am on the other side and I haven't seen what they have seen, I feel a bit of pressure to end the game, which may lead me to make an inferior move, rather than the move my opponent has clearly anticipated. And if they have seen that they are winning no matter what, then this premature "gg" is actually patronising and likely a brag.
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Re: Can we stop saying 'gg' when It clearly wasn't!

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DoctorFianchetto wrote: 06 May 2024, 11:44 And if they have seen that they are winning no matter what, then this premature "gg" is actually patronising and likely a brag.
Not at all. That may be how it feels to you, but not what they intend or the reason why they do it.

It's just that they believe the game is (close to) ending, it will end no matter what, they may win, or they may lose (maybe they're pretty sure it's one or the other, but you don't know which). I can see someone saying "gg" in all the following situations:

1. It's the final turn, they're miles ahead and no chance for you to catch them: gg
2. It's the final turn, they're miles behind and no chance for them to catch you: gg
3. It's the final turn, they've done their best and now, depending on your move/dice/cards, they may win or lose; in any case: gg
4. They see you have the chance to finish and take the victory, even if you don't see it: gg
5. They believe you have no chance to beat them, even if you see a possible path to prove them wrong: gg
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