Cities & Knigts should be a separate game

[Major Disaster]

Is there a tutorial for Cities & Knights yet? This is another point of confusion - if someone wants to play the Cities and Knights expansion, the tutorial option suggests that Settlers of Catan is the same game, when they are quite different!

[soubAldo]

Yes, having an Arena especially on Knight & Cities would be great.
Since the moment K&C has been introduced, i d'ont play anaymore to Catatn.

[Jeremy55]

Rules together with an almanac showing all the card abilities are easy to find: https://www.catan.com/sites/default/fil ... 200708.pdf

I totally agree with comments, it would be great to have this as a separate Arena game. I can't even figure how to have a game in basic mode but will try friending if that helps

[Fluckysan]

Arena with K&C is needed!
I'm not playing the basic one anymore because I found the extension way better and I miss you competitive.

[Mathew5000]

I can't even figure how to have a game in basic mode

You have a premium membership so you can start your own game from https://boardgamearena.com/lobby (ensure that the option labelled "Expansion" is set to "Base game" if that's what you want). More detailed instructions here:
viewtopic.php?p=182428#p182428

[Jontia]

Arena with K&C is needed!
I'm not playing the basic one anymore because I found the extension way better and I miss you competitive.

There is zero chance of getting an Arena season with C&K with the guru/arena set up as I understand it.

Gurus are auto selected as players that play the most games.
Base Catan plays much faster than C&K catan.
Gurus will therefore be generally people that play Base Catan rather than C&K Catan.
When options for the next season come up, base catan players will chose base catan.
C&K catan will never be the settings for an arena seasons.

We can see existing evidence for this in the 3 vs 4 player options for Arena prior to the introduction of C&K.

[Fusselkopp]

Arena with K&C is needed!
I'm not playing the basic one anymore because I found the extension way better and I miss you competitive.

There is zero chance of getting an Arena season with C&K with the guru/arena set up as I understand it.

Gurus are auto selected as players that play the most games.
Base Catan plays much faster than C&K catan.
Gurus will therefore be generally people that play Base Catan rather than C&K Catan.
When options for the next season come up, base catan players will chose base catan.
C&K catan will never be the settings for an arena seasons.

We can see existing evidence for this in the 3 vs 4 player options for Arena prior to the introduction of C&K.

Sometimes the gurus surprise you. The game Sushi Go was stuck in a terribly unsuitable 2-player format for years because that allows for finishing more games - but now it's suddenly 4 players. Much more fun!

[33gul]

+1 for a separate game and arena mode with cities and knights.

[wcraigtrader]

+1 (really +100)

I've been playing Catan for a _long_ time (almost 30 years now), and I prefer Cities & Knights (C&K) -- it's really a separate game, even though it shares some mechanics with base Catan. Saying they're the same game would be like saying that 7-card Draw and Texas-Hold 'em are the same game because they both use poker hands that can be made from 7 cards. In tournament play in other arenas (eg: World Boardgame Championships, Catan Communities) they are treated as separate games.

[dralkyr]

Yes, yes, and yes again. Even if it's not made into an actual separate game - though it really should be, like really really should be - the fact that this expansion is enabled should be MUCH more obvious and there SHOULD be a separate arena for it. Which, really, means it should have it's own game.

Catan tournaments worldwide recognize this fact.