Obvious cheating in Hanabi

[Keri Cash]

I saw the scores of a couple players and thought "Wow! these guys are good!!" so I clicked one of there games and started to replay it to see how they played. (This game Table n°11588397) From the very first round they begin playing 1s with no clue whatsoever and this continues throughout the game.

No wonder they are masters if you don't need any clues to know what cards play!

[qwertasdfg]

You're wrong. There are quite some clues before they start playing out cards.

All their moves make sense logically speaking - apart from some mistakes that hurt them but they recovered from that.

If you want to know more about tactics in hanabi most players on here will surely explain them to you

[Keri Cash]

Your're right, I went back to look at it and I was totally wrong....I apologize.

[sparr]

That game definitely has some shady playing. The multicolor 1 comes out with no clues at all.

[qwertasdfg]

And even when you say so - it's still wrong.
There has been a colour clue before they played the one.

If you want to learn how to play just ask any players

[sparr]

It looks like the players here are using a pre-established convention to convey more meaning in clues than is allowed in the game rules. That is, they are cheating. Even if Devier knew he had the multicolor 1 based on the "finesse" clue given to Silene regarding the multicolor 2, there's no within-the-rules logical-deduction way for him to determine which of his four cards it is.

I am aware of the logical basis for the "play left" strategy when the leftmost card is newer, but that is not the case here.

[tchobello]

It looks like the players here are using a pre-established convention to convey more meaning in clues than is allowed in the game rules. That is, they are cheating. Even if Devier knew he had the multicolor 1 based on the "finesse" clue given to Silene regarding the multicolor 2, there's no within-the-rules logical-deduction way for him to determine which of his four cards it is.

I am aware of the logical basis for the "play left" strategy when the leftmost card is newer, but that is not the case here.

that's what finesse is all about !
You play your leftmost card unless one of your cards is already clued and can match the finesse.

[sparr]

that's what finesse is all about !
You play your leftmost card unless one of your cards is already clued and can match the finesse.

No. You play your NEWEST card [that you don't have conflicting information about], because that's a logical and deducible difference between the cards. Coincidentally, in the middle of a game of Hanabi on BGW, that happens to be your leftmost card. But on the first turn, there is absolutely nothing that differentiates your four cards. Playing based on deal order has no basis in deduction. It's a convention. People plan to use it ahead of time, to convey additional outside-the-game information with their clues.

Those same people use this convention even when it overrides more meaningful clues. I usually discover I'm playing with these people when I give a clue that has obvious meaning without this convention, but they go right ahead and play the left card anyway, much to my dismay.

[tchobello]

No. You play your NEWEST card [that you don't have conflicting information about], because that's a logical and deducible difference between the cards. Coincidentally, in the middle of a game of Hanabi on BGW, that happens to be your leftmost card. But on the first turn, there is absolutely nothing that differentiates your four cards. Playing based on deal order has no basis in deduction. It's a convention. People plan to use it ahead of time, to convey additional outside-the-game information with their clues.

Those same people use this convention even when it overrides more meaningful clues. I usually discover I'm playing with these people when I give a clue that has obvious meaning without this convention, but they go right ahead and play the left card anyway, much to my dismay.

The only convention is to set your newest card on your left. Therefore, you can consider your leftmost card as the newest, even at the beginning.
There is a page full of conventions but it's most of the time a need to put names on logical clues.

I agree with that some players now play Hanabi just for giving the best clue or the best finesse...and forget to play cards.

You will see more finesse at the beginning because there are few informations to deal with.
When you need to deal with discard pile, lack of clues, you need to forget a little all those 'brilliant' conventions.

Expert players score heavily because Hanabi is a matter of logical, deduction and more over, timing.
Finesse / Bluff occurs 2-3 times in a game and there is no cheating there.