this game is super rigged

[gonzos1971]

Its just like people are sure any election where they don't like the outcome was rigged…
Because the alternative is that you are a loser.

[Cullich]

I'm sorry but this site is complete garbage at this point. Of course it's rigged and they want to keep it a secret. Game after game of being given a handicap against me because I'm playing a newer player and it doesn't want to turn them off from playing the game in case they lose. So it just gifts them perfect rolls in order to force them to win. No one should be surprised that this site will cheat for other players. This site lacks skill based matchmaking.

Sorry, but if you're that convinced, maybe just leave?

There are plenty of us here that are mathematicians, statisticians, programmers, psychologists, etc., and we've checked things and given plenty of explanations about how these programs work, talked about and analyzed the statistics themselves, and tried to explain how the human mind does not understanding randomness.

Feel free to ignore all of us and take your gaming elsewhere if that suits you best. Either way, I hope you find a place to play and feel less frustrated.

These same conversations happen at other places, so doubtful this will happen.

[want to be dus]

I apologize for having to get involved in this discussion. After all, it has been going on since January 2020.
I used to be a programmer myself - in the 1990s - and know a bit about random numbers and sorting algorithms.
When I follow a game here at BGA - Yahtzee - I can't recognize any normal distribution in the context of a
Gaussian bell, for example.

Random really looks different!

Then of course the question arises, what is the purpose here? I have looked at free and premium players.
There is almost no difference. The results are almost identical.

And yet there are abnormalities in the results for both player variants in the static norm distribution.
I come to a very simple conclusion here: BGA's programming is simply bad at this point. They don't have
a decent random number generator for this game and on top of that are too ignorant to admit it at some point.

The explanation can be as simple as that. And of course 80 percent of all players then suffer a feeling of being
cheated.
Shots at me are released!

[Romain672]

Here is some random bell curves with (I guess 60?) rolls: https://www.zupimages.net/up/22/29/xu8k.jpg . Done with googlesheet random.

You seem to know what we would need to be convinced no?

Just tell us how to repeat your obversation and what isn't good with the normal distribution, and then we can collect data on it (or even better you can collect data from your new games from now on which would remove most biais).


(and if what you said finally is true (which i highly doubt), doing that will give immensively more weight to what you can say)

[Jellby]

If you've found out the distribution is different from the "expected" one, the next step is to develop a strategy to take advantage of it

[cneaves815]

This game is rigged!!!! I've never won once!!!

[JohnnyCyclops]

When I follow a game here at BGA - Yahtzee - I can't recognize any normal distribution in the context of a
Gaussian bell, for example

I don’t see why a bell curve is expected in Yahtzee where each dice is independent. I would expect it in a two dice game like backgammon or monopoly where the dice are summed.

In Yahtzee I expect an even distribution of “rolled 1s” through to “rolled 6s”, given large enough samples. The end of game summaries give these counts so it’s easy to check and to aggregate over a number of games to reach a statistically relevant sample size.

It is possible to sum the initial 5 dice rolls (or 3 or 6 in variants) which should have an even bell distribution around 17.5 (5 * 3.5) ranging from 5 (5 * 1) to 30 (5 * 6). Is that what you were checking? Re-rolls would be harder to factor in. A standard 13 turn Yahtzee game would generate 65 rolls and 13 sums. So, play say 30 games and that will be 1950 rolls and 390 sums, so likely a reasonable sample. Is that what you did?

[GreenP55]

My rank was around 700 for the first half of this season then I changed my strategy and I’ve just climbed and climbed and am about 100 rank. I notice the game is 5/5 for luck in it’s description but that’s just so not true.
My new strategy is to use whatever I get dealt for the first several roles. I’ve thrown away my chance early, accepted a s3 for three of a kind or 4 for my twos - but I protect my 3s - 6s for later.

Point is, once I have 12 or more rolls and I get three of something I go for the maxi bonus and if it works, (mostly seems to) then I focus on ensuring I get my topside bonus. Plenty of opponents appear to be trying to get results with only a few rolls in hand.

The better my strategy the luckier I’ve been.

[ufm]

I notice the game is 5/5 for luck in it’s description but that’s just so not true.

Game stats on the game page is based on Yahtzee, but Maxi Yatzy is more strategic compared to Yahtzee.
I'd rate Maxi Yatzy luck 4/5, and Triple Maxi 3/5.

[Ceaseless]

My rank was around 700 for the first half of this season then I changed my strategy and I’ve just climbed and climbed and am about 100 rank. I notice the game is 5/5 for luck in it’s description but that’s just so not true.
My new strategy is to use whatever I get dealt for the first several roles. I’ve thrown away my chance early, accepted a s3 for three of a kind or 4 for my twos - but I protect my 3s - 6s for later.

Point is, once I have 12 or more rolls and I get three of something I go for the maxi bonus and if it works, (mostly seems to) then I focus on ensuring I get my topside bonus. Plenty of opponents appear to be trying to get results with only a few rolls in hand.

The better my strategy the luckier I’ve been.

The luck score, similar to other BGA game's scores, are a bit hit or miss on how accurate they are. Yahtzee isn't the worst offender for high luck, games like the card game 99 are worse, as well as several of the social cooperation games (whatever skill may be involved in the likes of Bang, Werewolves, etc. isn't going to overcome the inherent flaws of the groups you can be paired with, and even without that issue the skill ceiling only went so far.) A better way to tell how luck-based a game is would be to check their highest ratings. A side check for activity is needed (if fewer players are playing there's not enough activity to generate a proper idea of their ratings), but for active games like Yahtzee this isn't an issue. The best ratings peak in the high 400s, sometimes the 500s. (Compare to Werewolves at lower 400s or Bang's 300s). Wingspan is high 600s to 700s. Ticket to Ride can get high 700s to 800s, and Splendor can manage mid 800s. Those aren't even the highest numbers for games out there.